Rules clarification

[Frieza_Prexus]

Unfortunately it did set a precedent where it's probably going to be a common thing now unless Nilbog's new rules prove to be a good fix for everyone

This has, for better or for worse, been a long established precedent. Whenever a highly contested mob enters late into its window, both raids will show up in force. 15 manning a spawn is a very risky maneuver. It tires out your raiders, it's boring, and you might be unprepared when the mob does spawn. Generally, when a mob is 15 manned there are less than 4 hours on the window OR it is simply a tactic to log the other guild off.

In the case at hand, it seems the latter purpose was accomplished.

There's really no good solution for what happens when a window begins to close. That said, IB and TMO reached an agreement where 15 manning was illegal and both guilds abided by it. Perhaps that could be explored here.

[norova]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has, for better or for worse, been a long established precedent. Whenever a highly contested mob enters late into its window, both raids will show up in force. 15 manning a spawn is a very risky maneuver. It tires out your raiders, it's boring, and you might be unprepared when the mob does spawn. Generally, when a mob is 15 manned there are less than 4 hours on the window OR it is simply a tactic to log the other guild off.

In the case at hand, it seems the latter purpose was accomplished.

There's really no good solution for what happens when a window begins to close. That said, IB and TMO reached an agreement where 15 manning was illegal and both guilds abided by it. Perhaps that could be explored here.

Take your logic and get out of here!

[Rais]

The only thing I got out of this is that some former dude named Neicht is cybering someone who is almost 40 years older than him. What is the story here Morning Glory?

Anything else I miss in this?

[lilyanna]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing I got out of this is that some former dude named Neicht is cybering someone who is almost 40 years older than him. What is the story here Morning Glory?

Anything else I miss in this?

Lol !

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding what for 7 or 8 months? TMO cleaned house the months after IB and VD left. I was still around Dec-Feb, TMO had little to no competition the following few months and gave free mobs for people to kill for 2-3weeks somewhere around then. Looks like it started getting used again when people started socking against each other.

So yeah, It might not have been used because there was no need for it to be used. No one was socking against TMO, who 15mans for no reason?

You new guys are annoying as hell and literally know nothing.

2 of those months was socking Trak against TMO in VD. I didn't see the 15 man rule used there. Don't remember seeing you there either (I might not remember right though).

[jpeute]

omg 265 replys to say TMO got the last Trak?? wtb non-crying competition...

[bylbob]

Originally Posted by jpeute [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

omg 265 replys to say TMO got the last Trak?? wtb non-crying competition...

Weren't you banned for going full retard?

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 of those months was socking Trak against TMO in VD. I didn't see the 15 man rule used there. Don't remember seeing you there either (I might not remember right though).

The reason it wasn't used Ravager was, VD/IB/TR/TMO all camped out at ledge, therefore we had to log in before engage.

We didn't sit 40+ people at Tola waiting for him to pop.

That's the issue, if BDA had camped chars out, would have been fine, TMO would have stayed out and would have been fun time to see who got organized and engaged first.

However, when you see a raid kill force sitting there logged in (late in window), something doesn't seem right and matters need to be addressed.

Was what was done legal? Yep.
Was it annoying? Oh hell yes.
Did TMO want to do it? Not really.

If a guild wants to sock a mob, they need to do it on the spawn.
Why you ask?
Because there has to be an inherent danger to the guild in order to make them really think about if they want to do it.

Personally I'd like to see an arrangement worked out where both sides can be moderately pleased with the agreement.

But hey I remember EQ is a game and games are supposed to be fun.

[jpeute]

i dont know, who banned me? u can see tortue in game (/all vesshan) all the day

[jpeute]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing I got out of this is that some former dude named Neicht is cybering someone who is almost 40 years older than him. What is the story here Morning Glory?

Anything else I miss in this?

i'm also trying to cyber lily, but lily makes too much cup of tea for me...wtb moooooooooore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]