TR crys to GMS gets Donals BP

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by Anger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm bored gusy. Lets play a game.

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you in?

[Anger]

Anyone else see America's Got Talent tonight?

Poor Kinetic King.

[Anger]

Originally Posted by Glitch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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you in?

In the jungle you must wait, until you won a math debate.

[Glitch]

Beware of the ground for which you stand, the floor is quicker than the sand.

[Swishahouse]

DANGEROUS GLITCH DETECTED.

HARMSHIELD ACTIVATED. JUMPING OFF ISLAND 2!!!!!!!!!!

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by Swishahouse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DANGEROUS GLITCH DETECTED.

HARMSHIELD ACTIVATED. JUMPING OFF ISLAND 2!!!!!!!!!!

Make sure you're going at least gnome speed, bro.

[Anger]

Van Pelt in that movie was such a pushover. If he was a raid boss, he could easily be 15-manned.

[JenJen]

ohhh sleep why did you make me miss such drama [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Anger]

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[Envious]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thought I'd reiterate in this thread that saying something a bunch doesn't make it true.

I have a big penis.

See?

Your right.... 100% correct.



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[Tue Aug 02 18:04:55 2011] Zeelot tells you, 'hey I'm here'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:04:59 2011] You say, 'ok so'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:05:40 2011] You say, 'you each have each others loot'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:05:46 2011] You say, 'or something'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:05:52 2011] Zeelot says, 'Was just in the process of writing a petition so thanks for the summon...'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:05:57 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah it's not quite that way'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:06:10 2011] Zeelot says, 'They have our loot, and they for some reason want loot that is ours'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:06:33 2011] Zeelot says, 'I have multiple fraps of the trak kill'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:06:44 2011] Zeelot says, 'showing TMO having 15-20 + always on the spawn within 50 range '
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I have a Runed Bolster Belt and Dragon Hero Bracer on me. I sent Amelinda a screenshot of the logs, proving its all that Sev dropped'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:04 2011] Zeelot says, 'We were camping juggs all day there with over thirty people'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:07 2011] You say, 'i've already talked to amelinda about that. she hasn't received any proof that supports that'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:11 2011] Uthgaard was hit by non-melee for 25000 points of damage.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:12 2011] You have taken 25000 points of damage.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:12 2011] You have been knocked unconscious!
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:12 2011] You have been slain by Uthgaard!
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:12 2011] Your spell is interrupted.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:12 2011] Returning to Lake of Ill Omen, please wait...
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:12 2011] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:33 2011] You have entered Lake of Ill Omen.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:35 2011] It begins to rain.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:35 2011] Teleporting to zeelot.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:36 2011] Summoning you to: Zeelot @ timorous, 2194.0, -5392.0, 7.0
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:36 2011] Zoning to: timorous
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:36 2011] You have been summoned by a GM!
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:36 2011] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
• [Tue Aug 02 18:07:54 2011] You have entered Timorous Deep.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Dude, did you mean to do that?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:04 2011] You say, 'ok that hotkey is a little too convenient'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:06 2011] Espionis shouts, 'shouts are red, at least do it properly'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:15 2011] Nekkro shouts, 'GM event or something?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:19 2011] Zeelot says, 'I can show you the proof. We always had 15. Even if TR has a frap we definitely had 15 within 50 range'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:30 2011] Espionis shouts, 'naw, im never lucky enough to be in a gm event'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:30 2011] Zeelot says, 'and I could count them on their fraps too'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:31 2011] You shout, 'no, i accidentally myself the dt button'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:44 2011] Espionis shouts, 'wat.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:49 2011] Loke shouts, 'free DE masks for everyone!'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:51 2011] Minyin shouts, 'lol'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:55 2011] Tixel shouts, 'lol its still awesome you have a DT button'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:08:57 2011] Zeelot says, 'Amelinda seems to think that 15 on the spawn means physically on the spawn point, as opposed to within aggro range ie. 50 range'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:00 2011] Khysanth shouts, 'I think you accidentally a word there.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:14 2011] Zeelot says, 'having to be physically on the location is not only difficult to know, but rediculous'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:16 2011] Espionis shouts, 'why do you get DT, you aren't a raid mob'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:16 2011] You shout, 'that wasnt an accidentally'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'As of 8:40 central PM, our fraps/logs show 19 TR in range, 4 TMO. You know his range is small right?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:21 2011] Espionis shouts, 'I vote nerf to HT =/'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:25 2011] Zeelot says, 'aggro range, especially short range spell range should be sufficient'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:39 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So, if you have fraps, post 8:40 Central, that show us moving 4 or more people away, and you bringing 11 on, post them'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:46 2011] Nekkro shouts, 'What are you guys raidin here? Didnt know there was any raid mobs in TD'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:46 2011] Zeelot says, 'I have an 8 40 fraps that is contrary'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:09:54 2011] Espionis shouts, 'faydedarrrrr'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:01 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Cool, are you going by your own rules that his agro range is huge?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:04 2011] Zeelot says, 'sorry 8 53 is when my fraps is'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:13 2011] You say, 'ok well i'm not going to argue it. and the whole point here is that i'm not going to do this every time there's a raid dispute'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:16 2011] Espionis shouts, 'or maybe a game of chess.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:18 2011] Zeelot says, 'it's not huge, but it's not smaller than 50 range'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:41 2011] Loke says out of character, 'eq chess club, nbd. Perun is a soviet grandmaster'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:50 2011] Summoning amelinda.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:50 2011] Local: Summoning amelinda to 2176.167969, -5400.145996, 3.934503
• [Tue Aug 02 18:10:54 2011] Espionis says out of character, 'bet i'd own you noobs at chess'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:04 2011] Zeelot says, 'I don't see why there is a dispute. We were camping juggs all day...they came in and stole protector right before trak (and then gave back loot when I called karsten on it)'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:08 2011] Zeelot says, 'then we moved into spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:13 2011] [Petition 06:16PM] (248991)Bigbadda: I am being harassed and have reason to believe Rasanik has softw...
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:15 2011] Zeelot says, 'they followed suit and jumped on tola spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We moved to spawn first, according to our fraps and your guild'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:23 2011] Zeelot says, 'I talked to karsten and said we would rather have no trouble'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:26 2011] Zeelot says, 'and he backed off to ledge'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:29 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Why did Jeremy say we moved there first? '
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:34 2011] Zeelot says, 'from that point on. TMO was on tola, and then trak's spawn area'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:38 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You're really lawyering the rules, his spawn point is his spawn point'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:39 2011] Loke says out of character, 'most perun the grandmaster. He is so good at chess, they made his class title grandmaster. he is srs biz'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:40 2011] Zeelot says, 'TR moved in afterwards onto the wall'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:41 2011] Espionis says out of character, 'what guild gets which raid mob should be decided by a guild v guild chess game.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:44 2011] Zeelot says, 'and thats when the FRAPS was taken'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:45 2011] Loke says out of character, 'not*'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:11:49 2011] Columbo says out of character, 'Loke. IM COVERED IN BEES'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:00 2011] Zeelot says, 'Most of our people were in the direction of the rock'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:06 2011] Loke says out of character, 'haha'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:09 2011] Zeelot says, 'on the side of it which was in line of sight of trakanon'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:12 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Yea, our fraps does an entire circle, they were OOR'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:12 2011] Zeelot says, '50 range from spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:19 2011] Zeelot says, 'I'm looking at a first person spawn point of view that amelinda sent me'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:21 2011] Zeelot says, 'of traks spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'and we were fuckin close'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:28 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You were out of range'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:30 2011] Espionis shouts, 'we're starting a new guild, who wants to leave their crappy raiding guild and join our crappier raiding guild'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:34 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Maybe close, but out of range'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:35 2011] You say, 'maybe you didnt understand the point that im not here to argue whether you were in range of trakanon'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:44 2011] Khysanth says out of character, 'Do you offer 401k contributions?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:12:44 2011] Zeelot says, 'Okay..'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:13:00 2011] Espionis says out of character, 'I sure do not.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:13:20 2011] Zeelot says, 'You said you don't want to do this every time? So what are you thinking going forward'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:13:50 2011] Zeelot says, 'I'm offended that TR even pursued this issue. We did nothing here'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:13:56 2011] Zeelot says, 'We were playing FTE and so were they'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:03 2011] Zeelot says, 'they only wanted 15 on spawn after they lost FTE'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:08 2011] Zeelot says, 'everyone was solely asking amelinda about FTE'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:13 2011] Espionis shouts, 'onoes uthgaard left us'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'Amelinda was instructed to remain silent on the rules'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:38 2011] Zeelot says, 'How can we prevent issues if things aren't clear'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:43 2011] Zeelot says, 'I'm all about fair play'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'They were pretty clear, that's why we moved on to the spawn point'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:48 2011] You say, 'i want the questionable shit to stop. and it's coming from both sides. when you're about to lose a mob to whatever, you don't try to pull a fast one and drag us into it. i saw it with tmo today with the kiting sev, and tr with shit like this '
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Thats why we did it the week before too'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:14:53 2011] You say, '[Tue Aug 02 15:51:52 2011] Papadacus tells the guild, 'If Sev explanation is accurate, then the new strat for stealing FTE is to fuck with someone's pull, and have another member ready at spawn point to tag once it's reset.''
• [Tue Aug 02 18:15:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'He was explaining the flaws in just what happened'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:15:30 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We won't use that as a strat, obviously'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:15:32 2011] Zeelot says, 'From what i heard about sev is that we picked him up and someone tagged it off'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:15:39 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You heard wrong, you kited it'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:16:02 2011] You say, 'i dont care what the reasoning is, you dont take a ruling and try to find a way to work around them. compete within the fucking rules, and stop dragging us into shit. this should not be necessary every other raid target'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:16:07 2011] You say, 'and it will not become a habit again'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:16:23 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Agree'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:16:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Completely'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:16:43 2011] You say, 'as far as im concerned the loot can stay where it is, i dont have time to find a bunch of nodrop items homes because both of your guilds are fucking up equally'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:17:06 2011] Zeelot says, 'Works for me. Lets work towards better guild relations. I don't want this shit to happen either'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:17:17 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's trade dropables then, don't care about the keys'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:17:32 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Not worth your time, or our time'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:17:35 2011] Zeelot says, 'For future resolution, can we come to an agreement about competing trak in the future?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:17:42 2011] [Petition 06:22PM] (21714)Kraniumkrusher: hello Spacy
• [Tue Aug 02 18:17:54 2011] Heido auctions, 'WTS Silver Carnelian Wedding Ring / Bone Armplates / Iron Leash Collar / Cane of the Tranquil'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:17:59 2011] Heido auctions, 'WTS Golden Locket / Serpentine Bracer / Clawed Knuckle-Ring / Minotaur Horn / Runed Bone Fork / Dwarven Two-Handed Axe / Tentacle Whip / '
• [Tue Aug 02 18:18:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I think so Zeelot, I'm all for a good race vs. wasting my Friday night'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:18:21 2011] [Petition 06:23PM] (247054)Asmira: hello, i'm stuck in the environment in west freeport i was hopin...
• [Tue Aug 02 18:18:34 2011] Kinsawt says, 'But, you'll have to talk with other people then me. Let's trade back the BP's for Sev loot, you guys can post on your boards you dropped Sev and we can get together'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:18:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Keep the keys, like I said, not one of our priorities'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:18:57 2011] Zeelot says, 'I'm down with keeping everything as is'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:19:00 2011] [Petition 06:23PM] (244541)Kelin: in need of assi
• [Tue Aug 02 18:19:13 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You should be, which is why I'm pushing a compromise'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:19:14 2011] Zeelot says, 'As for the future, lets avoid any spawn sitting and do trak as a ledge / rush engage only'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:19:16 2011] Zeelot says, 'is my suggestion'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:19:35 2011] [Petition 06:24PM] (244541)Kelin: in need of assistance please
• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We'd have to cap the folks in zone, do you guys have the levels to do that at this point? Or close'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:09 2011] Your protection fades.
• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:12 2011] You say, 'hopefully someone posts something reasonable enough to convince rogean and nilbog that the camping on the spawn point was a dumb idea to leave in the current raid rules'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Eh, I wouldn't worry about it'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:27 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We'll take care of it'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:30 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah. I would love spawn point camping to be taken out'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:20:49 2011] Zeelot says, 'Perhaps I can work up a post that will be somewhat convincing~'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:00 2011] You say, 'because the easiest thing to deal with is fte as far as fte is concerned, and for people who try to manipulate the fte to get a boot in their ass'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:20 2011] Zeelot says, 'agreed'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:23 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Yea, should let Amelinda DT kiting bards'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:35 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Vs. restting the mob. In the future that is'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:44 2011] You say, '[17:54] <Uthgaard> in the future i'd either tell them to find their raid or faceplant'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Perfect'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:55 2011] Zeelot says, 'lol'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:21:55 2011] Amelinda says, 'i can't dt. can only nuke'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:00 2011] Amelinda says, 'but i can nuke someone down fast.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:03 2011] Amelinda says, 'ask lenfer'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:06 2011] Kinsawt says, '.#movecharacter Tox'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:08 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That works too'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:22 2011] Zeelot says, 'Trap them in the hole'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:23 2011] Zeelot says, 'imo'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:41 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I want the BP's switched, since we're switching raid kill targets. Since you don't want to do all the no-drop key/unkey hassle, let them keep them'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:43 2011] Amelinda says, 'oooo or i can just turn them into a boat.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:44 2011] Kinsawt says, 'But I'd like the BP's'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:47 2011] You say, 'you need to be realistic that it wont just be tmo and tr on raid targets for long'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:22:59 2011] You say, 'so whatever agreement you come to needs to include that reality'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:23:06 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah we know'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:23:15 2011] Kinsawt says, 'This guild hasn't had 3 competetive raiding guilds since pre-Plane of Sky'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:23:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Er, this Server'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:23:35 2011] Heido auctions, 'WTS Golden Locket / Serpentine Bracer / Clawed Knuckle-Ring / Minotaur Horn / Runed Bone Fork / Dwarven Two-Handed Axe / Tentacle Whip / '
• [Tue Aug 02 18:23:38 2011] Heido auctions, 'WTS Silver Carnelian Wedding Ring / Bone Armplates / Iron Leash Collar / Cane of the Tranquil'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:23:41 2011] You say, 'and so far it hasn't ever had competition between 3 guilds legitimately'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:17 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Well, I think if we just cap the # of folks logged in and rush it, competition will be fair'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:23 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We'll have to get inventive, which is fine'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:23 2011] Zeelot says, 'I'd love to agree to a ledge rush only thing'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:28 2011] Zeelot says, 'If you guys are down kinsawt'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:34 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's not worth it unless we cap the folks in zone'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:35 2011] You say, 'so lets cut the shit and keep it fair, talk all the shit you want, but stop dragging us into every kill. it's expected sometimes, as a last resort, but not every other target'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:44 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I agree Uth'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:56 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah definitely Uth. We should be able to settle the matters ourselves'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:24:59 2011] You say, 'great'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'But, TR won't be happy without the BP's, this good will won't go far'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:29 2011] Zeelot says, 'And we won't be happy without those sev loots. Works both ways. We'll keep things as is and move on'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:41 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You can have the Sev loot and VP keys'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:45 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We'll take the VP's'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:50 2011] Zeelot says, 'I don't want to take things from members'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Otherwise, this 'compromise' isn't going far'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:56 2011] You say, 'the loot is a little imbalanced'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:25:58 2011] You say, 'who has the trak bps'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:26:39 2011] Zeelot says, 'What do you mean imbalanced? I thought it's being left as is'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:26:48 2011] Zeelot says, 'I thought you didn't want to deal with complaining'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:26:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Chiro has the cleric BP, not sure on the ranger'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:27:23 2011] Zeelot says, 'Both loots are TMOs we got Trak. All this fraps stuff is total BS. I'd rather just put it in the past'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:27:43 2011] Zeelot says, 'I know we're not arguing what happened at the specific kills, but taking things away from people who deserve them is cruel'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:27:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We're trying to work for a compromise here on 2 kills that could be argued both ways'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:27:51 2011] Zeelot says, 'especially after they've been using them a week'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:27:53 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, you're not giving any ground at all'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:27:58 2011] Zeelot says, 'neither are you'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:01 2011] You say, 'yeah well king solomon says split the baby down the middle. i want the loot from the two dragons divided in equal value and i dont care what goes to who'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:23 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I mean, Trak is our kill, proven and decided, give us everything. That's me not compromising'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:25 2011] Zeelot says, 'How do you split an RBB and a dragon hero bracer vs 2 trak BPs'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:29 2011] You say, 'talk is cheap. lets see compromise in action'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:32 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And 3 VP keys'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Count those Zeelot'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:46 2011] Zeelot says, 'oh now you mention them after saying it was cool?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:54 2011] Zeelot says, 'This is kind of rediculous'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:28:56 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Don't not count them because Uthgaard says he doesn't want to do the work'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:29:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Which is why we wrote them off'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:29:27 2011] Zeelot says, 'Why are things changing from what was initially said. I'd rather leave this incident in the past, and deal with out conflicts without GMs'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:29:30 2011] Zeelot says, 'from this point on'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:29:38 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's be fair, the loot from all of the mobs, 3 Teeth, 2 BPs, RBB, DHB and a Crystalized Sulfur + some spells'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:29:39 2011] Zeelot says, 'our*'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:29:41 2011] Kinsawt says, 'He wants it split'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:29:54 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So let's split it'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:30:15 2011] Zeelot says, 'Why suddenly change after he was saying leave as is? Only because you were talking up a storm about it.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:30:17 2011] You say, 'because you know as well as i do that if the resolution is imbalanced, any talk of goodwill is worth a spit in the dirt. so if you meant one word of what you said, get to compromising'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:30:20 2011] Zeelot says, 'We were done. Lets move onto future conflicts'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:30:28 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Uthgaard, if we decide to split the teeth in some way, will you help us?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:30:45 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Since I'm counting them as loot, and he's assuming they're not. That's the sticking point'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:30:47 2011] Zeelot says, 'How is it imbalanced. We killed that trakanon, any rule lawyering on it is bs. You said you don't want to deal with the individual incident, but that is a major point'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:30:52 2011] You say, 'ill let you two work it out, if it means that you will actually try to be respectful toward each other, i'll do it this time'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:31:16 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Zeelot, you go first'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:31:35 2011] Kinsawt says, '3 Teeth, Cleric BP, Ranger BP, RBB, DHB'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:31:55 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'm cool with just back and forth'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:03 2011] Zeelot says, 'We'll let you have the next VS uncontested for the teeth and BPs and keeping dragon loot with its owners'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:13 2011] You say, 'now you're getting somewhere'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:22 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We don't want the next VS'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:29 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's just split this, decide on a Trak compromise and move forward'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:36 2011] Zeelot says, 'Talendor + VS'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Dude, we're banking haste and legs'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:49 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's the whole problem here'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:32:54 2011] Zeelot says, 'I'm trying here. you're not working with me'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'm giving you first pick on the loot'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:12 2011] Zeelot says, 'Fay as well then?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:16 2011] Zeelot says, 'thats 3 targets worth of loot'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:22 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Not worth it to us'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'Totally free and easy'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'd consider those already ours'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:41 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Which is why you're not getting anywhere'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:46 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's split the current loot, decide on an agreement'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, race, like always'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:33:57 2011] Zeelot says, 'I told you. I don't want to take things away from people who are using them. I offer future loot/opportunity'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:34:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I don't want things I already consider mine'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:34:25 2011] Zeelot says, 'This is why we don't get anywhere'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:34:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Because you handed out your items already and we didn't?'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:35:19 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's split the loot, come to an agreement on future Traks'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:35:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'Nope. Because you guys went out of your way to petition when you knew we had both 15 on spawn and FTE, just to try and fuck with stuff. And you're acting like us not competing and giving you free kills means nothing'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:35:29 2011] Espionis says out of character, 'any shamans need Crushed Diamonds'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:35:29 2011] You say, 'dont worry about that. i'll be the one doing it. they can bitch about me. here's how it is. as far as im concerned you each got the other's target. one wasn't worth as much as the other, but getting you out of my hair is worth more than both combined. and not pissing me off so i can actually get shit done should be worth more to both of you'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:35:56 2011] Zeelot says, 'But thats not how it went down. I have tons of evidence you haven't seen that shows the first target as ours...'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:36:15 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Uthgaard is going to suspend us both Zeelot'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:36:36 2011] Zeelot says, 'Dude I want to reach an agreement'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:36:37 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, you're arguing from a stance that what you say is gospel. You own future raid targets, the GM's decision that WE were right on Trak means nothing, etc.'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:36:47 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Then listen to Uthgaard, split the loot evenly, come to an agreement'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:36:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's pretty simple'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:09 2011] Zeelot says, 'okay..'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:18 2011] You say, 'im tired of the tit for tat'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:23 2011] You say, 'i dont care'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:28 2011] Zeelot says, 'we'll give up tolans bp'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:31 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I promise I won't throw server first Dain rights into the barter :P'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:34 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Just pick the item you want Zeelot'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You go first'
• [Tue Aug 02 18:37:44 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Don't tell me what I can pick'
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• [Tue Aug 02 19:40:12 2011] You say, 'screenshotted, and kinsawt is the little spoon'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:40:19 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Yea I am'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:41:08 2011] Zeelot says, 'yo.. back'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:41:11 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Sup'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:41:15 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Faydedar spawned, and died'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:41:19 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If you want to put it on your kill times'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:41:21 2011] Zeelot says, 'cool'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:41:39 2011] Zeelot says, 'So I've decided that I'd like to come to a compromise with Xzerion, your guild leader'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:21 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Xz is in Vent with me, he wants me to handle it'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:26 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Since we started it'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:27 2011] You say, 'great, get him online'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:31 2011] You say, 'wait'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:42 2011] You say, 'well whatever'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'He's in here with me, he wants me to handle it, he thinks this is confusing enough'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:54 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, just like Zeelot was sending tells to Perun'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:42:59 2011] Kinsawt says, 'He wants to confuse it some more'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:43:28 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's just get it over with Zeelot'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:43:37 2011] Zeelot says, 'Perun sent me tells to approach, but whatever. I stopped talking with him'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:43:54 2011] You say, 'ok look. i dont care who does it, as long as it gets done. this was supposed to be a 5 minute conversation. i've let it drag on this long because i have other stuff to work on while i wait'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:44:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Zeelot, you saw that part about Peace Pipe dividing it and it going to Div and BDA yea?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:44:42 2011] Zeelot says, 'no I've been afk. had to go grab dinner'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:44:50 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Uth said if we don't reach an agreement'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:45:00 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Peace Pipe divides it, if we don't think it gets divided fair'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:45:02 2011] You say, 'there is no ulterior motive or secret plan, i didnt even decide this until about 3 minutes into the conversation after thinking about it. i'm not even making the decision. i'm leaving it entirely up to the two of you to work out what you can agree to'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:45:04 2011] Kinsawt says, 'He gives it to BDA and Div'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:46:41 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I really don't want that to happen'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:46:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:46:47 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'm still game for giving you first pick'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:47:03 2011] You say, 'it's not what you like, or what you think is right. i'm asking you to decide what you can tell your guilds you agreed to in the spirit of fair competition'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:47:27 2011] You say, 'but it's starting to look like that was all talk'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:47:38 2011] Kinsawt says, 'What do you want me to do, I'm willing to make this work'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:47:44 2011] Zeelot says, 'k well. Look... You said at the beginning that the teeth weren't a big deal. So how about we take the ranger bp, and the bracer. You can have the cleric bp, RBB'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:48:16 2011] Kinsawt says, '3 Teeth, Ranger BP and Bracer. We get RBB/Cleric BP?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:48:22 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:48:55 2011] Kinsawt says, 'GIve us a tooth, we'll take either the RBB or DHB, whichever you want less'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:49:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You can have 2 Teeth, Ranger BP, DHB/RBB, whichever you want'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:49:13 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We'll take the rest'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:49:19 2011] Zeelot says, 'you said at the beginning the teeth were cool did you not? Plus our people have handed in keys already'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:49:33 2011] Kinsawt says, 'The teeth were cool when we got both BPs, want to do that ?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:50:06 2011] Zeelot says, 'RBB/cleric bp is pretty good man'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:50:17 2011] Kinsawt says, '3 Trak Teeth, Ranger BP, DHB is better, a lot better'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:50:19 2011] Zeelot says, 'why nit pick this detail'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:50:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Too much better'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:50:28 2011] Zeelot says, 'You know how it went down come on'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:50:50 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Picking gets us 1 tooth, cleric BP and my choice of the RBB or DHB'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:50:53 2011] Zeelot says, 'The fact that we're talking here shouldn't even be happening, and you're getting a good deal out of it that you can walk away happy with'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:51:09 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We can walk away happy with 1 Tooth, the Cleric BP and whichever you don't want out of the DHB and RBB'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:51:16 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's better then you'd get picking'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:51:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'My guild is going to look simply at what's fair'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:51:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'What's 50/50'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Not anything else, you can't convince them otherwise and I can't either'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:08 2011] Zeelot says, 'Okay I will take 2 teeth, ranger bp, RBB'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:22 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Alright, 1 Tooth, Cleric BP, DHB'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That accounts for everything?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:27 2011] Zeelot says, 'agreed'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:30 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah I think so'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:34 2011] Zeelot says, 'I don't know what spells dropped'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:38 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Doesn't matter'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:52:50 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Keep them, Sev had none'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:05 2011] Zeelot says, 'kk'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Not sure if Uths around, I have the RBB on me'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:10 2011] Zeelot nods at Kinsawt.
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:15 2011] Zeelot says, 'k lets let him know'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:22 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Want to discuss Trak?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:27 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Think it's a good time'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:40 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah. No more in the lair poopsocking. Have to stay out of aggro range'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:53:53 2011] Zeelot says, 'something like that perhaps'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I like that a lot. I want a cap on the folks logged in'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:11 2011] Zeelot says, 'Thats impossible to do man'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:23 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's just going to be a big out of range sock, people spamming tab from outside of agro range'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:27 2011] Zeelot says, 'We killed that last one with 37. it's no diff'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:35 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Yea, I'm not trying to limit #'s'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:45 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'm saying how many people can you sit on Tola's spot, spamming, socking'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's what none of us like'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:54:59 2011] Zeelot says, 'well you can't forbid a jugg group either'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:55:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Absolutely not'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:55:17 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Plus, you need levels'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:55:28 2011] Kinsawt says, '15 folks good enough for that?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:55:32 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I mean, a stable 15'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:55:39 2011] Zeelot says, 'FTE people can chill on the spawn area , but the guilds on the ledges'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:55:44 2011] Zeelot says, 'only say 5 people each side allowed?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:55:49 2011] Zeelot says, 'or less?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:56:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Hmm, so, 5 people near the lair?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:56:05 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:56:09 2011] Zeelot says, 'trying for FTE'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:56:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I like to de-incintivize that spam clicking at all costs'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:56:30 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's not fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:56:41 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah I know it isn't, but it'll only happen in late windows'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:56:59 2011] Zeelot says, 'There was no clicking this morning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:57:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Haha'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:57:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Yea, I know, heard it was actually fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:57:14 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Like, win or lose, at least it was fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:57:19 2011] Zeelot says, 'aye'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:58:22 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Camping down there cool?'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:58:27 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:58:39 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Ideally, honestly'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:58:39 2011] You say, 'im just waiting until you're done talking it out. run it by the guilds as well'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:58:53 2011] Zeelot says, 'we're done on the loot decision, just talking out raid rules'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:03 2011] You say, 'i know'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Ideally, we're allowed a tracker and CoH bot'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And no one else down there'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:14 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That would be most fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:20 2011] You say, 'remember what i said initially'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:29 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Other guilds and all that'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:34 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I think they could agree to that'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:36 2011] You say, '[Tue Aug 02 18:22:47 2011] You say, 'you need to be realistic that it wont just be tmo and tr on raid targets for long' [Tue Aug 02 18:22:59 2011] You say, 'so whatever agreement you come to needs to include that reality' '
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:46 2011] Zeelot says, 'Camping down should be allowed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] CoTh race is just annoying'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:52 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah uth. thinking of that too'
• [Tue Aug 02 19:59:56 2011] Kinsawt says, 'At least it's a race, and fair for everyone'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:00:04 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Plus, it puts the juggs back in play'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:00:28 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Super easy, no one past the Juggs door, no one camped down there'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:00:31 2011] Zeelot says, 'Can't restrict people from being in a certain area of a zone in this game lol'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:00:41 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Sure we can, or you can, and I can'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:00:42 2011] Zeelot says, 'not realistic for the server'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:00:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's awhile for other guilds to be involved in this'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:00:58 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If it works for us, and is fun, they'll agree to it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:01:04 2011] Zeelot says, 'Still...obviously this may set precedent, so lets do it right'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:01:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Easy to enforce, puts a ton of fun back in the game'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:01:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's a big change, but it would be a blast'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:01:31 2011] Kinsawt says, 'No one past the Jugg door'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:01:36 2011] You say, 'you can't enforce it. and i won't enforce it. it's basically trusting each other to compete under the same agreement to eliminate poopsocking and compete, until that rule is dropped from the list'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:01:49 2011] Zeelot says, 'FTE and no - poopsocking sounds a lot simpler'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Both guilds are going to have SO much liberty to lawyer that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:03 2011] Zeelot says, 'and maybe limit the amount of people allowed on the spawn...the reverse of what it is'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:15 2011] Zeelot says, 'No way. the logs show FTE plain and simple'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:26 2011] Kinsawt says, 'FTE and no poopsocking turns into 50-150 people standing right outside of his agro range for 72 hours'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:35 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We need to incentivize the fun in this'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:40 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Like, if people think it's fun, they'll stick to it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:42 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Win or lose'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:02:44 2011] You say, 'the point is to get out of the habit of lawyering things. any uninvolved third party can see the common sense answer in most situations'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:03:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Neither guild is doing Prot/Jump for loot'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:03:09 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We make being past that door off limits during the window'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:03:10 2011] You say, 'we shouldnt need a rule for every possible contingency'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:03:17 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You can have CoH bot, and a tracker'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:03:32 2011] Zeelot says, 'Can't be so complex imo...'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:03:58 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You're allowed 2 people and you can't be past the door? Easy as it gets'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:04:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Plus, Trakanon will be fun, Jumps/Prot will be up, Juggs will be up, you'll have to clear/summon'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:04:13 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's a good time'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:04:46 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Anyone in our guild will be able to easily interprut those rules, which will be huge'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:04:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Because, they're going to have to'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:05:13 2011] Kinsawt says, 'vs. What's agro range, what's not, what's too many people, who was 'getting buffs' who was logged in, etc.'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:05:13 2011] Zeelot says, 'I'm only concerned with getting rid of the spawn-socking. People won't sock the ledge unless windows get the latter end like that one'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:05:47 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Yea, I don't like socking, but spawn socking is one step from ledge socking'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:00 2011] Zeelot says, 'It's a lesser evil'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:08 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I always liked the idea in classic that every mob was like CT, Inno, Naggy, Vox'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:10 2011] You say, 'i think that any limitations are going to be broken, whether by individuals or what. and i also think that the more definitions you place on it, the more likely it will be to fail because people will perceive slights against them or their guild, and make mountains out of molehills about it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:18 2011] You say, 'trust me on that, i've been hearing it for a long time'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:20 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I agree'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I think a plain simple, no one down at Juggs goes so far'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It makes Trak fun, no one will sock'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:06:56 2011] Kinsawt says, 'They can actually play the game again'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:07:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's a big thing to me, fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:07:25 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah same, but I don't mind camping on the ledge and waking up 5am to kill trak rq.. it's pretty fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:07:42 2011] Zeelot says, 'and takes less time~ This game is time consuming as is'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:07:44 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Yea, but then it's so easy to have an obvious advantage'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:08:04 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Anything where there is an obvious advantage, like being completely logged in, keeping Juggs/Prot clear is such a drain'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:08:17 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, you know your guild has the balls to do it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:08:20 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So does ours'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:08:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Our guilds are competitive enough'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:08:30 2011] Kinsawt says, 'They'll do what they have to'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:08:45 2011] Zeelot says, 'Can't disallow that stuff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It really has to be FTE/anti-spawnsocking. That's all I think can be enforced properly'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You're basically moving people 100 yards, that's it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'All the other problems stay'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'd like to get rid of them all at once'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:14 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Change the dynamic of the whole thing'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:21 2011] Zeelot says, 'raiding in EQ was always like this..'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:28 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Pft, I was in TMO too, it was not'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:43 2011] Zeelot says, 'I logged down there back in the day, plenty of times'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Right, but not because you were racing anyone'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:09:59 2011] Zeelot says, 'Sacred fyre ~'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:03 2011] Zeelot says, 'they rushed trak a lot'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:05 2011] Zeelot says, 'so did DoA'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:12 2011] Kinsawt says, 'DoA was later, after Sacred Fyre'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:15 2011] Zeelot says, 'We locked them out for awhile tho because we mobilized quicker'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:20 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Once Fanfan left Sacred Fyre, they fell apart. Neither guild ever did VP'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:26 2011] Zeelot says, 'fanfan was shining force'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:32 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Oh, same thing, SF'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:35 2011] Zeelot says, 'no way!'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:37 2011] Zeelot says, 'I was in SF [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:40 2011] Kinsawt says, 'WHICH!?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:44 2011] Zeelot says, 'shining force'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'The Fear Zerg guild?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:54 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Although, Fanfan was a beast, I still talk about him'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:10:55 2011] Zeelot says, 'hell yea. Fanfan just kited teh whole zone'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:11:00 2011] Kinsawt says, 'The druid who kited fear breaks'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:11:07 2011] Zeelot says, 'And I peeled that shit'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:11:10 2011] Zeelot says, 'with morpheis'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:11:16 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Like, fuck monks training north wall, Fanfan just had a big ol kite'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:11:21 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Anyway'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:11:39 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'd like for shit to be fun, competetive, challenging, all that shit. And we're going to have to make it that way ourselves'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:11:46 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Something no one can lawyer'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:12:00 2011] Zeelot says, 'This morning was an example of fun, and camping on the ledge was what both guilds did'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:12:12 2011] You say, 'so it sounds to me like you mostly agree on the same thing. whether you camp at the ledge or coh down, that will mostly be an individual decision, and not a raid leader telling everyone to do it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:12:26 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Well, we need to agree on some aspect of it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:12:34 2011] Kinsawt says, 'The whole problem, or well, the way it is right now'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:12:37 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Is if they do something, we have to'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:12:40 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, visa vers'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:12:57 2011] Kinsawt says, 'This morning was fun, but he spawned 2 hours into his window'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:13:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It can be that fun every night'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:13:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Saturdays at prime time'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:13:12 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If we put just a broad rule in'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:13:56 2011] You say, 'you said you agree not to camp the spawn point. it's a start. it's foolish to not tell your guild to be prepared. you don't decommission an army because of a peace treaty'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'No, we'd be prepared'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Both guilds would'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'But, it limits enough that you can still have fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Camp King, be at zone in'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Right now, both guilds are going to be doing Juggs, sitting on ledge with 40 folks'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:43 2011] You say, 'make sure you run it by your guilds as well'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:51 2011] You say, 'and officers/leaders'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:53 2011] Zeelot says, 'I say we just call it at no spawn camping. We'll have come a long way at that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:14:54 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I don't kno wman'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:06 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's hard to sell'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:22 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We're both going to have too many folks say "why?"'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:32 2011] Zeelot says, 'because it's stupid'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:35 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I mean, I agree, no more 15 man rule'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:36 2011] Zeelot says, 'lol'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:40 2011] Kinsawt says, 'But, why not sit on the spawn point?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If we're all logged in and ready'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:15:49 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It would still be FTE'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:01 2011] You say, 'so you both want no spawn camping with some agreement that neither will have an advantage. if there was a third raiding guild that wasnt here, but was your competition, how would you prepare to engage without sitting on the spawn point or camping at the ledge, and still call it prepared enough to compete, if you had that limitation'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'it would suck'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:30 2011] Zeelot says, '=p'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:31 2011] You say, 'why'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Honestly? Straight up manipulation'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:46 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If Zeelot, Xz, TR and TMO sell this as the best shit ever'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:49 2011] Zeelot says, 'Because some people don't have the time to come from afar, especially when they pop latenight'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:50 2011] Kinsawt says, 'People will follow suit'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:52 2011] You say, 'then you're saying it's not possible under those conditions'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:16:59 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's all in how we sell it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:17:09 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If we WILLINGLY make the game more fun, people will want to be apart of it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:17:29 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Saying no spawn camping, that solves a symptom, not the problem'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:17:38 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Get rid of the problem, the real obvious advantage socking gives '
• [Tue Aug 02 20:17:54 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah. I don't think it makes sense to restrict where people logout. If someone wants to login 5mins of their day to get their raid time in, it makes it easy'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:18:16 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Pft, they can'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:18:19 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Both guilds just have to get better'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:18:37 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Don't think you can engage Trakanon, zone in to engage in 5 minutes with a raid force ready at zone in/bubble?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:18:43 2011] Zeelot says, 'It's time consuming to do that. And certain raids/quests already take long enough!'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:19:03 2011] Zeelot says, 'Not all of us have all day to play.'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:19:21 2011] You say, 'so go back to my comparison, because that's the condition you need to meet. if you were competing with someone who wasn't here making the agreement, how could you make it both possible to compete fairly, and not give an advantage'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:19:21 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I certainly don't. But, I have less time to sit on a ledge, asking for re-buffs'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:19:37 2011] You say, 'knowing that they wouldnt be camping the spawn point'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:19:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'm not sure on your question'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:19:59 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Like, we're going to be the only ones doing this for a month?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:20:01 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Maybe 2'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:20:20 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's a long time to build up good faith in it, make it a server 'understood' so to speak'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:20:56 2011] Zeelot says, 'I don't think anyone has an advantage with fte rules'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:21:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You guys had FTE on the last trak with an enchanters proxy agro'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:21:13 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You know that right?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:21:23 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's not skill, that's not preperation, that's blind luck'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:21:40 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's who was sitting on the spot his code targets first'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:21:55 2011] Kinsawt says, '7 people agro'd him the second he spawned'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:22:10 2011] Zeelot says, 'First to rush in should be first to get it. That would pretty much be FTE.. Only reason proxy aggro was in the equation was because people were sockin the spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:22:29 2011] Kinsawt says, 'People are going to sock the spawn if they don't see it as any different then what they're already doing?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:22:46 2011] Kinsawt says, 'What's the difference between ledge, clearing juggs, 40 online, fully buffed'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:22:53 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, moving that on to his spawn?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:22:57 2011] You say, 'if it happens that way then the first to engage will be the first prepared, they'll succeed if they were and wipe if they werent. that's how it's happened every time so far'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:23:06 2011] You say, 'sometimes people gamble and werent prepared'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:23:08 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah exactly'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:23:44 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So, you guys want 40 people logged in, sitting at the ledge/right outside of agro range, spamming tab'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:23:47 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I want a solution bigger then that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:23:53 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Because, that's going to get lawyered'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:23:57 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And it's not fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:24:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I want to de-incentivize all of that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:24:30 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I want a guild to win one week by doing something inventive, and then the next guild to out-do them, come up with something better'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:24:34 2011] Zeelot says, 'It'll minimize conflict... at least prevent shit like what just went down'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:24:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If things aren't fun, there will be conflict'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:24:55 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's the root of the problem'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:25:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'This morning was fun, most of our folks had to be CoH'd, buffed etc.'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:25:12 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's why Uthgaard didn't get a petition'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:25:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Plus, I promise you, it'll help your burn out rate'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:25:27 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It'll help ours too'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:25:29 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And that's huge bro'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:25:59 2011] Kinsawt says, 'There are some people who just can't put this game down, and if sitting down there, buffing people, staying logged in gives them an advantage, they'll do it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:26:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And they end up quitting'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:26:36 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah well what I've said is the best solution. Can we roll with that for now? And use it as a building block; see how that goes'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:26:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I honestly think we got one shot at this'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:27:15 2011] Kinsawt says, 'My guild is saying right now, fuck it, status quo for us, not sitting on the spawn point doesn't solve any problems'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:27:27 2011] Kinsawt says, 'The problems to us are things not being fun, staying online all day and night, spamming tab'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:27:47 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Fucking blind luck giving a guild a kill'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:27:50 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Thats straight up rage'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:27:59 2011] Zeelot says, 'depends on the time/mobilization/preparedness'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:28:07 2011] Zeelot says, 'you guys have wiped with 30 because we were gaining numbers fast'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:28:14 2011] Zeelot says, 'premature engages will be forced and people will wipe'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:28:27 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Premature engages will happen during the first 1/10th of his window'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:28:31 2011] Kinsawt says, 'At early AM'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:28:32 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:28:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You weren't around for late, late Classic, DA/IB'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:28:56 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It wasn't fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:29:01 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Uthgaard got a *lot* of tells'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:29:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Anything that can be lawyered, will, anything that isn't fun, results in GM's getting involved'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:30:27 2011] Zeelot says, 'I gotta head out so lets decide on somethin'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:30:37 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's try my way, for 2 weeks'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:30:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If it doesn't work, we settle on yours'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:30:56 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If the big solution doesn't fix problems'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:31:01 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We settle on the bare minimum'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:31:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'No way I could even think of doing it your way, let alone enforce that. It's too difficult'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:31:34 2011] You say, 'well the important thing here'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:31:54 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Enforcement here is us being men'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:31:55 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:32:04 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, I want to start big, settle on small'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:32:12 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Not the other way around, it doesn't work like that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:32:18 2011] You say, 'is that if you're interested in making it work, you will continue to make it work and hammer out the imperfections as you go, maintaining an open dialogue. if you're not, you'll start accusing each other and petitioning and make no effort at resolving it yourselves'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:32:35 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I think we have to start with a leap of faith, leaving us room to work'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:32:41 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Not settle on the bare minimum solution'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:32:42 2011] You say, 'problems will happen. it wont be perfect. but how serious you are about it will show the first time there is one'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:33:16 2011] You say, 'so involve the other officers/leaders/guild members, get everyone on the same page, and make it a priority'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:33:23 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'd like to think we can do something big picture and fun. You can sell it to your guild as fun, we can to'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:33:33 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I know I could get TR on board with a simple, no one past jugs'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:33:47 2011] Kinsawt says, 'They'll listen to that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:33:50 2011] Zeelot says, 'I doubt I could convince everyone here that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:33:57 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Could you convince most of them?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:33:59 2011] Kinsawt says, '2 weeks'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:34:14 2011] You say, 'what do you think you could convince them to do'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:34:44 2011] Zeelot says, 'They definitely don't want to camp spawn. but some like being prepped in lair'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:35:14 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If TR feels like the other guild is sitting on line, buffed, waiting, we'll do the same'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:35:35 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And, theres enough folks in both guilds that will say, there's isnt a definite enough line between that and sitting on the spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:35:40 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Once those arguments start, it's all over'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:36:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Once a few people speak up in guild saying X is no different then Y, the agreement is gone'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:36:03 2011] You say, 'i think that's both reasonable and expected. some people cant fit running to coth into their schedules if it's in the middle of the night. if it's not a mandate that everyone do it, neither guild should find it much of an advantage'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:36:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You know that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:36:44 2011] You say, 'because the simple fact of it is, that the main issue here is that people want to stop poopsocking so they can play the game.'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:36:50 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Exactly'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:36:50 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:36:58 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And to us, 'socking' isn't sitting on the spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:37:06 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's being logged in for 72 hours, fully buffed, pre-formed groups'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:37:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Keeping Prot/Jumps clear'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:37:32 2011] You say, 'so if you give those people the opportunity to play the game like they say they want to, then having an entire guild camped out at the ledge with buffs wont happen just because people have their free will back'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:37:44 2011] You say, 'so it seems to me that it's a self resolving issue'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:37:55 2011] Kinsawt says, 'People will do what they have to'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:37:58 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Not what they want to'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:06 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We have to limit what they 'can' do'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:12 2011] You say, 'i just addressed that i think'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:19 2011] You say, 'with it not being a mandate'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'yeah. If we don't call people to force camp out'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:33 2011] Zeelot says, 'just say camp out if you want, but exp / do whatever'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:51 2011] You say, 'the issue at hand is supposedly that your guild members are tired of poopsocking. if you're as tired of it as you say, and prefer competition as you say, then you won't do it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:52 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So, you think telling people not to sit on the spawn point'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:38:58 2011] Kinsawt says, 'They'll suddenly dissapear from the ledge?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:39:20 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Right Uthgaard, but we have to agree to not do it. That's what I'm saying'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:39:35 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If we just agree to not do sit on the spawn, that's as absolutely far as the rule will go'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:39:40 2011] You say, 'there's only one way to find out. if everyone still camps out on the ledge, then all of this compromise to eliminate poopsocking wasn't really what they wanted after all'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:40:02 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's what they wanted, but it's not what was necessary'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:40:11 2011] Kinsawt says, 'People are going to do what's necessary to get the kill'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:40:21 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We have to limit, what is necessary to do'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:40:27 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And just saying, don't stand in this circle, nothing changes'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:40:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'The dynamic stays exactly the same'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:41:09 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Like I said, we have to limit what guilds 'can' do'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:41:10 2011] You say, 'you seem to believe that no one will take the option of playing the game and doing their own thing if they have the option'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:41:42 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If sitting at Traks ledge, fully buffed, or logged in and grouped gets them closer to a Trakanon kill, they'll do that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:41:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Zeelot knows that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It gives the guild an advantage'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So they'll do it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:08 2011] Zeelot says, 'No. people will play the game if they can'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:14 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If they can, exactly'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:18 2011] Zeelot says, 'When you guys started binding down there it set a different pace'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:43 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Right, wipe the slate clean, take away binding, take away camping, take away everything that moved this problem forward'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Start back like it was when Kunark came out, clearing down there, racing'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:53 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That was fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:42:57 2011] Zeelot says, 'can't take away camping. it was done in classic too'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:43:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Eh, don't do the 'it's classic' argument'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:43:14 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Think bigger then that'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:43:34 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I want to go back to square one, back to what was fun, just not eliminating the very last step'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:43:42 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Give people a chance to hit the reset button'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:43:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Before things escalated to where they are now'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:43:59 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Or at least, let's start there'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:44:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If that doesn't work, we end up where you are'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:44:42 2011] Zeelot says, 'I don't feel this is getting anywhere atm, I guess we'll have to continue another day? Don't have to solve every problem in the world today. I'd rather get people off spawn points if possible.'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:44:53 2011] Zeelot says, 'but whatever it's up to you'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:45:03 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's do 1 week'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:45:06 2011] Kinsawt says, 'The next 2 Traks'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:45:12 2011] Kinsawt says, 'No one past door to Juggs'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:45:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'No clearing past it during Trak window'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:45:40 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's 2 spawns, not going to make or break anything'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:45:45 2011] Zeelot says, 'sorry no can do on that, unreasonable'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:45:48 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And it gets you what you want, no one will be sitting on the spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:46:10 2011] You say, 'it's a start. you dont have to do it all yourselves either. remember, involve your guilds. and if you want to make it work, you will work on making it happen'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:46:20 2011] You say, 'if you dont, you'll sabotage it at the first opportunity'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:46:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Exactly'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:46:39 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And when there isn't a difference between what we're going to do, vs sitting on the spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:46:45 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And you're talking a small, small, different atm'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:46:51 2011] Kinsawt says, 'People are going to sabotage'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:47:11 2011] Kinsawt says, 'We've got one day, plenty of time to go over this with our guilds'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:47:17 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Let's do one Trak spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:47:19 2011] Kinsawt says, 'No one past the door'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:47:27 2011] Zeelot says, 'If thats the way you think then you can keep meeting up with us like you have been. Otherwise we all stay off the spawn on the ledge'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:47:29 2011] Zeelot says, 'it's your call'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:47:49 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I just know how TR is going to react, I know how TMO is going to react'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:48:11 2011] Kinsawt says, 'They're going to do absolutely everything they can to get an advantage. We're going to have 150 people sitting right outside of agro range, right up to the point someone says 'this is fucking dumb''
• [Tue Aug 02 20:48:20 2011] Kinsawt says, 'And then this is done'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:48:30 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's too hard to convince people this is different, or new, or fun'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:48:36 2011] Kinsawt says, 'It's the same old shit'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:48:52 2011] You say, 'if it's too hard to convince them that it's different, then they didnt really want to stop the poopsocking and play'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:07 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Poopsocking is sitting on the ledge, buffed, grouped, logged in'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:11 2011] You say, 'it's all pretty simple'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:12 2011] Zeelot says, 'exactly uth'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:25 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's what poopsocking is to us'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:38 2011] Zeelot says, 'poopsocking for us is a response to you guys camping/binding in lair'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:43 2011] Zeelot says, 'if you stopped we would / vise versa'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:48 2011] Zeelot says, 'some people would do it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:50 2011] Zeelot says, 'but not nearly as many'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:49:57 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Exactly, so hit the fucking reset button, no camping/binding at the ledge'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:04 2011] Zeelot says, 'so pulling people off the spawn is the start to it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:09 2011] You say, 'well i hope this wasn't all a big waste of my time. and that your guilds at least show enough respect for the effort to make some effort yourselves'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:16 2011] You say, 'it will either work or not'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:20 2011] You say, 'it's really up to you'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:24 2011] Zeelot says, 'I will try to make it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:31 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I'm not even sure what we agreed on'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:37 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Just to not sit exactly on his spawn point?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:51 2011] You say, 'you can figure that out yourselves. i'm not spending any more time mediating it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:50:52 2011] Zeelot says, 'Yeah no poopsocking the lair. ledge / ramp restriction'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:51:01 2011] You say, 'what items go from who to where?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:51:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'If all you want is for us to not sit on the spawn, that's fine. Get rid of the First 15 rule'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:51:29 2011] Zeelot says, 'we get RBB, 2 teeth, Tolans BP. Kinsawt wants: Dragon hero bracer, 1 tooth, Donals bp'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:51:39 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That's fucking dumb though, that solves absolutely nothing'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:52:05 2011] Kinsawt says, 'No point in even telling TR anything, that only happens the last 10&PCT; of a window, 1 in 10 chance it ever happens again'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:52:20 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I was hoping for something a lot more forward thinking, a lot bigger'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:02 2011] You say, 'you should probably involve a couple more people from each side'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:10 2011] You say, 'get some more opinions to weigh in on it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'You should decide who loses their key Zeelot'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'That'll big a big deal'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:20 2011] Zeelot says, 'I've told my officers. they are fine with ledge/no lair restriction'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:38 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Xz, Getsome, Perun don't understand that it's any different'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:46 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So, that tells you about how much it'll stick'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:53 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I have the RBB on me, tossing it to Zeelot'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:53:57 2011] Zeelot says, 'k'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:10 2011] Kinsawt says, 'I also have the DHB'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:15 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So, I need the Donals BP'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:20 2011] Zeelot says, 'Chiro has it'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:24 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Rusl needs the Trakanon Tooth'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:29 2011] Amelinda says, 'who has it? i can go get it.'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:41 2011] Amelinda says, 'k. the donalds i meant. donals*'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:46 2011] You say, 'chiro'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:54:55 2011] Amelinda says, 'yeah. see that. i'm a lil slow'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:55:14 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So, 150 people outside of agro range chain hitting tab?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:55:16 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Still cool?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:55:38 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Actually'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:55:44 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Xz doesn't agree with that, can't hold up'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:55:54 2011] Kinsawt says, 'He thinks it's too small'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:55:56 2011] Kinsawt says, 'So'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:56:19 2011] Kinsawt tells you, 'Fucking waste of time'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:56:54 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Who is losing the VP key? '
• [Tue Aug 02 20:57:32 2011] Zeelot says, 'necrious'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:57:44 2011] You told Kinsawt, 'i was hoping he would involve some other officer who would actually know how to compromise'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:58:03 2011] Kinsawt tells you, 'I don't know, I think he sees that they have an advantage this way'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:58:06 2011] You say, 'and it's going where? and what else needs moved?'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:58:18 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Move the tooth to Rusl'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:58:21 2011] Kinsawt says, 'the BP to me'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:59:00 2011] Kinsawt says, 'Need to duel me'
• [Tue Aug 02 20:59:11 2011] Zeelot says, 'it's cool'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:00:05 2011] Kinsawt tells you, 'So, nothing got solved. Fucking frustrating. This must be how you feel, dealing with stupid people'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:02:11 2011] You told Kinsawt, 'mostly'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:02:22 2011] Kinsawt tells you, 'Do you have logs of all this?'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:02:29 2011] Kinsawt tells you, 'I forgot to turn mine on'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:02:30 2011] You told Kinsawt, 'of course'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:03:03 2011] Kinsawt tells you, 'Anyway I can get the say logs? '
• [Tue Aug 02 21:03:25 2011] You told zeelot, 'so that's it, no attempt at compromise, just a 'that wont work' and off you go? '
• [Tue Aug 02 21:03:49 2011] Kinsawt tells you, 'Kinsawt@gmail.com or on the boards, whichever works. I want TR to see them'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:04:07 2011] Zeelot tells you, 'I need time to discuss it more with my officers and with them. Obviously kinsawt isn't being realistic'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:04:23 2011] Zeelot tells you, 'I don't see why they won't just backoff poopsocking spawn'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:04:40 2011] You told Zeelot, 'i thought you both agreed to that?'
• [Tue Aug 02 21:05:42 2011] Zeelot tells you, 'He won't agree to it apparently. Wouldn't give me clear agreement on it. Said perun and xz think it's just the same so nothing will change'




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