Seal Team removes ourselves from all player agreements

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s only a zero sum game because people cry about seal team winning instead of banding together and beating the other guys. I mean is every raider on the server in Seal Team?

Again, because it was stuck on the last post of the previous page:

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think these guilds mind the losing part, or for the most part even mind that they aren't in VP. When they lose outright they chalk it up to inexperience, mistakes, being out manned and out strategized. They give ST their due in that regard.

What they can't stomach, and many didn't expect coming into P99 for green, is that they not only lose most of the time but are never allowed to win either. In P99's raid meta, the dominant guild has a real knack for never accepting defeat even when its handed to them as clear as day when the little guy prevailed for a change. Its always straight to the lawyerquest, fishing for concessions to block the competition out of future attempts.

You know this damn well with your experience. How many times have you been involved in a situation like "we can't contest this mob at this time of day, but we can go pressure Riot with our tiny force and try to make them screw up and give us something to petition"? That's the overriding meta that raid guilds here operate under.

On blue you have two and three entities at a time who are fluent in this back and forth and have played it against each other for years. These green guilds however, they came in and found out that even when David beats Goliath a win is never ever allowed to stand on its merits.

Competitive people pat the opponent on the back and say good game see you next time. Bullies do everything they can to beat your morale down and try to intimidate you to never try again.

So when you see these green dudes saying these things, its not that they hate ST for spending more time or having more people or working harder at being on top. They hate all the effort that goes into rigging the game when they do take a loss. And they weren't prepared to see this coming from outside of the blue raid scene as so many on green have.

Its not just about losing or being at a disadvantage. And its disingenuous of you to suggest that this is all that's at play in the raid meta here.

[LuffyP99]

How did this thread become about anything except the fact that ST acted like a pathetic child, deleted the UN, welched on their agreements with the other guilds and STOLE ~30 god level targets from guilds who were following the rules that ST agreed to?

It was an absolutely pathetic display and anyone in that guild who isn't ashamed of that is full of shit. It has nothing to do with a GM issued sanction that was out of player hands, or ST being dominant. That's BS anyway, they just have 2-3x as many members as any other guild. Yeah, you want competition. BS, you want to poach all the talented members of the smaller guilds then go on a rant about 'how op' you are. What a joke. I hope they stay banned over a month or dissolve, they lost my respect with these recent actions. There's plenty of good ST members in the guild I am friends with, but if you don't leave a guild after this disgustingly toxic behavior, my opinion of you changes. Not even a public apology or any attempt to make things right to the guild's they completely fucked over, just because they can't win a noble race.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by LuffyP99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did this thread become about anything except the fact that ST acted like a pathetic child, deleted the UN, welched on their agreements with the other guilds and STOLE ~30 god level targets from guilds who were following the rules that ST agreed to?

It was an absolutely pathetic display and anyone in that guild who isn't ashamed of that is full of shit. It has nothing to do with a GM issued sanction that was out of player hands, or ST being dominant. That's BS anyway, they just have 2-3x as many members as any other guild. Yeah, you want competition. BS, you want to poach all the talented members of the smaller guilds then go on a rant about 'how op' you are. What a joke. I hope they stay banned over a month or dissolve, they lost my respect with these recent actions. There's plenty of good ST members in the guild I am friends with, but if you don't leave a guild after this disgustingly toxic behavior, my opinion of you changes. Not even a public apology or any attempt to make things right to the guild's they completely fucked over, just because they can't win a noble race.

what 30 god tier targets were stolen

[LuffyP99]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what 30 god tier targets were stolen

There was a UN agreement that the winner of the weekly Noble race would be able to leave their Hand / OOA mobs up, so that a new noble would spawn every 3 days for a month. This results in a total of 11 kills (instead of the normal 3, noble/hand/ooa). This deal was agreed to be all the top guilds who have noble killing capabilities, including ST. Over the next 3 weeks, kingdom won twice, federation won once. When the GM issued the new 3 trak requires the 4th to be conceded rule (had nothing to do with player decision), ST went and killed the 3 OOA / Hands that were up. Depriving the guilds who practiced the race, following the rules, of their remaining ~28 uncontested noble kills, per the arrangement. They won't even apologize for completing screwing over 4-5 unique guilds, which means they are happy with their fucked up decision. Gross.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by LuffyP99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did this thread become about anything except the fact that ST acted like a pathetic child, deleted the UN, welched on their agreements with the other guilds and STOLE ~30 god level targets from guilds who were following the rules that ST agreed to?

BS, you want to poach all the talented members of the smaller guilds then go on a rant about 'how op' you are.

I remember in the beginning of Green how Seal Team aggressively went after all the clerics. You had guilds moaning how they lost their healers all of a sudden.

[Relbaic]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember in the beginning of Green how Seal Team aggressively went after all the clerics. You had guilds moaning how they lost their healers all of a sudden.

They've also tried to merge with at least 2 of the other raiding guilds, on top of Lineage, with no success.

[silo32]

GM's killing green the way they did red. I see nothing has changed.

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by silo32 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM's killing green the way they did red. I see nothing has changed.

red jhas always been completely desolate what are you even talking about lolol

[Albanwr]

I know great people in ST. I have no idea why they have not left yet. I know they don't agree with this shit. I know they know this is all sorts of fucked up. Yet they stay in the guild.

I guess I know what they really are deep down.

[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by Albanwr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know great people in ST. I have no idea why they have not left yet. I know they don't agree with this shit. I know they know this is all sorts of fucked up. Yet they stay in the guild.

I guess I know what they really are deep down.

they still can't raid if they leave