Poll: Reopen Teal (Digital Social Distancing)

[cd288]

Originally Posted by ldgo86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True. I have been surprised by the overwhelming response for yes from the player base. Whether it matters at all or not, and yes lots of people don’t go on the forums, but that’s a pretty solid number of votes.

Lots of people who never played on Blue pre-expansions and have discovered on Green that they don’t actually like classic EQ unless both Kunark and Velious are released and the population is low across all 3 continents.

Also lots of people like OP who would jump at the chance to be able to farm plat and valuable loot on both servers simultaneously for yet a second time.

[phr0stbyt3]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't read.

600 votes from a population of 1800 or 3600 is a statistically valid sample was my point. Therefore, the poll is valid. The results so far are, 447 YES, 173 NO.

BTW, your "silent majority" argument assumes this majority exists - your proof is that it happened once elsewhere...

I don't believe your "guess" or not. I just believe the numbers. Re-read the above, if you're still not getting it.

This is starting to get silly. My "proof" is that we only have 600 votes out of the enormous 1500+ peak population we've been seeing.

First off, your signature brags about a 148 hour manastone camp. Did you stay awake that long to obtain it? Don't answer that. I know you didn't. Everyone knows you didn't. No, you didn't specifically break any rules, but everyone resents you for it. I don't see how this little brag is helping your position of opening a new server to take people (players and staff) away from Green so you can rotate the manastone camp again with your buds.

Secondly, your understanding of demographics is not good. There are two demographics at play here: 1) people who play on Green and 2) people who play on green who use the forums. We can assume confidence for the number of people in group 2 because that's the only demographic we -know-, so we could use the survey monkey formula to assume 99% confidence when extrapolating for the entire -forum user base-, but NOT group 1 because those people may never show their faces on these forums. People devote their entire lives to probability and statistics, and the brief little intro to sample sizes on the survey monkey website you linked doesn't even cover the basics.

Can we drop this now?

[phr0stbyt3]

Originally Posted by El-Hefe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody cares about OP, they care about the amazing Teal server and all the positives it would bring to P99.

Such as....?

[Castle2.0]

The poll is to show theirs is a significant interest in Teal. Point proven.

phr0sty, you don't read. Try this calculator if you don't know how people can poll thousands to get info on hundreds of thousands https://www.checkmarket.com/sample-size-calculator/

600 votes out of 1800 or even 3600 is a sample reliable to the 99th percentile with only a 5% margin of error (when it's 70% to 30%.) Fact.

You're left with your "OP is a bad man - no proof needed" and "I define classic, and current status is classic."

Haven't heard much else from opposition besides a lack of understanding of statistics/math.

[Castle2.0]

Also lots of people like OP who would jump at the chance to be able to farm plat and valuable loot on both servers simultaneously for yet a second time.

Doesn't deny I never owned Tranix Crown, GEBs, FBSS, and can't confirm any"cash" camp I live at at except he knows I camped a manastone once because I am selling one...

"OP is a bad man - no proof needed" is a bad argument for so many reasons.

REOPEN TEAL. Make Antonica Great Again!

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't deny I never owned Tranix Crown, GEBs, FBSS, and can't confirm any"cash" camp I live at at except he knows I camped a manastone once because I am selling one...

"OP is a bad man - no proof needed" is a bad argument for so many reasons.

REOPEN TEAL. Make Antonica Great Again!

Not a bad argument at all. In fact, it’s the most important argument because it illuminates your true motivations for why you want a second server.

[phr0stbyt3]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The poll is to show theirs is a significant interest in Teal. Point proven.

phr0sty, you don't read. Try this calculator if you don't know how people can poll thousands to get info on hundreds of thousands https://www.checkmarket.com/sample-size-calculator/

600 votes out of 1800 or even 3600 is a sample reliable to the 99th percentile with only a 5% margin of error (when it's 70% to 30%.) Fact.

You're left with your "OP is a bad man - no proof needed" and "I define classic, and current status is classic."

Haven't heard much else from opposition besides a lack of understanding of statistics/math.

Let me put this into terms you might understand. I wanted to find out how many people out of 1800 liked Mexican food in a city where Mexican food is very popular, so I asked 600 of them what their preference was: 445 of them said pizza, 145 of them said Chinese, and only 10 of them said Mexican. Why didn't more people that I interviewed like Mexican food? Because I only asked people outside of Papa Johns and Panda Express.

You can't assume that EVERYONE on Green will come to the forums. Forum users and non forum users are different demographics potentially with different thought patterns, so your confidence level is nowhere near 99%. If everyone on the server was presented with the mandatory poll upon login, you could possibly assume a number that high. You are not good at demographics.

[phr0stbyt3]

Further reading on panel sampling from https://www.surveygizmo.com/resource...online-survey/

The Drawbacks of Using Panel Respondents as Your Target Audience

The three main drawbacks of using a survey panel are:

Nonprobablity Sampling

Because the respondents are chosen in a nonrandom manner (forum dwellers only), 
some members of the population have no chance of being included. This presents the
problem of calculating how well the sample represents the population as a whole.

Data Quality

Since respondents are incentivized to complete a survey, their motives are not 
altruistic. Because they may not be vested in your cause or goal, these responses may 
be of a lesser data quality.

Duplicate Responses

Sometimes a panel company will not have a large enough pool to draw from for a 
particular demographic in which case they will partner with another panel company to 
fill the order. If a respondent is signed up with both panels duplicate responses can 
occur.

Most panel companies are vested in providing high quality responses since this is vital 
for them to keep repeat business. There will however, be some questionable responses. 
The key is to choose a reputable company and to take a close look at the data you 
get back to weed out the outliers and duplicate responses.

[kaev]

my only regret is that I have but one no vote to give for this thread

[drackgon]

I personally don't care about what mannastone wants to reopen teal for. (first off list items are gone). I care about why I want to reopen teal. That is so I who am a father of 3 and husband. Can log on and not fight for camps(lucky for me I don't really have 2 on green bc I raid, and to me raiding over farming). But for nights I wanna level one of my alts. Sitting on list isn't fun.(SK/Monk/Warrior) Classes that yes can solo some, but do better in groups. I personally myself don't care about classic(fyi green is by far no where near classic, so arguments are stupid, if this was classic all you greenies would be on dial up, no discord, Sks would of just NOW gotten life taps, mages would still suck, Hate/solro wouldn't been same day etc etc). I care about my way of life. Heck I wish dev's would shrink windows from 16 hrs to half. People playing p99 are not 10-24 anymore. 99% of this playerbase is 35+, with familys.