List Integrity

[Modwolf]

Hahaha is this still going on? Best just ignore them, they will never learn. Lost causes.

[Jeni]

Making a thread lying to try to win public opinion was a poor strategy next time use your boxed throwaway account to accidentally train him. If he comes back repeat until he is no longer high enough level to list. Problem solved.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Jeni [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Making a thread lying to try to win public opinion was a poor strategy next time use your boxed throwaway account to accidentally train him. If he comes back repeat until he is no longer high enough level to list. Problem solved.

I didn't lie. I don't have a throwaway account. I wouldn't want someone to train him. I like following the rules.

I made the OP, to suggest solutions to prevent this scenario again. Fate (I keep forgetting his forum name) followed every rule and was never belligerent to me (or vice versa).

I wanted (and still want) a dialogue to alter list rules. I really really like /list giving anyone an opportunity to a camp.

I believe list 1 should have an obligation to bring sufficient force to the camp they are entitled to. List 2-X - I believe - should not have such expectation.

And something needs to be added for group listing and fast. As soon as the masses start camping guise, I think we're going to have a lot of frustration. Right now its almost always open, you get a group together to head over there. You are 10 steps behind the other 5 ppl in the group; but, just because they get there 3 seconds sooner and /list before you, a pecking order has just now been made. All group dynamics to /random for the drop get thrown out the window. People are going to be upset.

The secondary problem I see at guise camp is for TBB. At EE no one really cares who gets the XP. Everyone has a bag, its pretty whatever. It creates a DPS race scenario that NO ONE thinks about or cares about. ASS\SUP is a typical XP\loot camp. I think you're going to end up with people camping assassin for guise and DPS race happens with Supplier.

[lituviel]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe list 1 should have an obligation to bring sufficient force to the camp they are entitled to. List 2-X - I believe - should not have such expectation.

This, over and over again, people don't understand that THIS is the freaking and most important point.

You can't get other people from list to help you farm your merb. Camp on number #x would be like on 10hours a stone, like impossible to maintain. At the point people are secretly hoping to get higher on the list. And no-one even assume that they wish people lose afk check or have some LD or anything...

Even Corvax this time prefered to hold hostage the mob, it was his right, it's still a shit move to expect other to give you a stone you cannot farm yourself.
It was as bad as any other thing that happened.

[AegnorP99]

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, over and over again, people don't understand that THIS is the freaking and most important point.

Seems people understand the point fine. They just don't agree with you.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by lituviel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This, over and over again, people don't understand that THIS is the freaking and most important point.

You can't get other people from list to help you farm your merb. Camp on number #x would be like on 10hours would be like impossible to maintain. At the point people are secretly hoping to get higher on the list. And no-one even assume that they wish people lose afk check or have some LD or anything...

Even Corvax this time prefered to hold hostage the mob, it was his right, it's still a shit move to expect other to give you a stone you cannot farm yourself.
It was as bad as any other thing that happened.

There is literally 0 expectation that you have to help him camp the item. Only if you want to move up the list, in that case it's in your interest.

From the SS's posted it seems you're both being disingenuous with your arguments anyway, if Grakken accepted to join the group as a healer before Corvax party left, which they did on the condition that the group would keep going.

[lituviel]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is literally 0 expectation that you have to help him camp the item. Only if you want to move up the list, in that case it's in your interest.

There's no expectation, it's a necessity when the #1 can't clear the PH / EE. This is why it took us a few minutes to get things again rolling. Even if we took 10 minutes reflexion about the situation, in the end he was happily being carried on his camp and ended up with his stone.
The /list works perfectly, it needs a tune up.
If this case happens again it means that you have to stay on your computer more time than possible to get stone farming others before yours. At the point it is not healthy.

That being said, when I farmed my stone I was lvl 35 and not able to solo the EE. I had a friend with me who helped me as I reach #1 in list. And yes I helped the previous guys. But it was my own decision, not an obligation.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

, if Grakken accepted to join the group as a healer before Corvax party left, which they did on the condition that the group would keep going.

This is the part I think most people perceive wrong. Those three may have come to that conclusion. I wasn't in group, I wasn't asked to come heal for them. I was asked if I was listing. I was. They just assumed me being there and listing that I had accepted the responsibility to heal someone.

I just wanted to watch shows till I became list 1 clicking afk checks along the way. Now the situation demands I have to farm someone their manastone, to get to list 1. He even admits he gets lots of resists. I have to do the bulk of the work for someone else. I didn't sign up for that. I'd be happy to sick my pet every 28 minutes; but to bare the full burden and risk of death for someone else (who is willing to) but unable to contribute?

[zaneosak]

This is fucking hilarious. I'm out here just leveling slowly on a class I never played in Everquest before, killing some mobs, making some stready progress, sipping some whiskey when I play, winding down for the evening...... then you got people hyperventilating over an item they wish they had 20 years ago that will help them for 9 months in a 20 year old video game.

[korzax]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is fucking hilarious. I'm out here just leveling slowly on a class I never played in Everquest before, killing some mobs, making some stready progress, sipping some whiskey when I play, winding down for the evening...... then you got people hyperventilating over an item they wish they had 20 years ago that will help them for 9 months in a 20 year old video game.

Doesn't everyone want one so they can click it till they die, now that was classic.