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Old 11-29-2017, 11:54 PM
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Old 11-30-2017, 01:25 AM
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The mickposting is strong in here, and people are eating it up. Makes me wonder if mick is some next level troll that is able to dial in on people's urge to counter-post.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:18 AM
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Because movements/groups get hijacked by nutjob extremists.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:34 AM
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Because movements/groups get hijacked by nutjob extremists.
Feminism has not been hijacked by extremists. Feminism has been hijacked by preppy girls that want to tell their life story in a magazine and get a round applause for it.

Extreme feminists barely exist -- but are referenced by real feminist so they can talk about how not-extreme they are. It's all just self-indulgent nonsense.

Feminism is a sorority system where the rich girls get the nicer houses.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:45 AM
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Feminism has not been hijacked by extremists. Feminism has been hijacked by preppy girls that want to tell their life story in a magazine and get a round applause for it.

Extreme feminists barely exist -- but are referenced by real feminist so they can talk about how not-extreme they are. It's all just self-indulgent nonsense.

Feminism is a sorority system where the rich girls get the nicer houses.
i don't think feminism has been hijacked by anyone. it's "progressed." that's what socially progressive movements do. once we have bridged the chasm of inequality, we must imagine new obstacles to battle anew because there is no destination, only progress. there must always be more progress.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:53 AM
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also, it seems to me that the tax plan benefits the poor and rich at the expense of the middle class. eliminating the home mortgage deduction eliminates one of the most effective means of building wealth. but hey, people only gotta pay 12%
on income up to 78k, so they can spend more at wal*mart.
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:56 AM
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also, it seems to me that the tax plan benefits the poor and rich at the expense of the middle class. eliminating the home mortgage deduction eliminates one of the most effective means of building wealth. but hey, people only gotta pay 12%
on income up to 78k, so they can spend more at wal*mart.
That's true. I guess My line between poor and middle class tends to be more poor/middle and upper middle class in my head these days. How are you Republican types OK with that BTW? It's a big deal for anyone that ever can slowly pay off a house.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:03 PM
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I just want to add -- this is the problem with Race getting in the way of conversations about class. Why don't we just talk about how to help all people get their first house in a way that is fair to everyone? Instead -- got to talk about whites getting the edge on tax cuts. They are always going to get the edge on tax cuts -- "whites" (which I claim is getting to be more cultural than ethnic with my generation) will almost certainly always have more money because they started with more. Therefore, they get disproportionate benefit with any kind of tax break.

We can't let stupid talking point factoids get in the way of pushing for the one issue we ALL care about: Economic Inequality.
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Old 11-30-2017, 06:40 PM
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I just want to add -- this is the problem with Race getting in the way of conversations about class. Why don't we just talk about how to help all people get their first house in a way that is fair to everyone? Instead -- got to talk about whites getting the edge on tax cuts. They are always going to get the edge on tax cuts -- "whites" (which I claim is getting to be more cultural than ethnic with my generation) will almost certainly always have more money because they started with more. Therefore, they get disproportionate benefit with any kind of tax break.

We can't let stupid talking point factoids get in the way of pushing for the one issue we ALL care about: Economic Inequality.
Zoning laws in blue cities and states raise the price of housing. See: san Francisco

Conversely, having no zoning creates dystopian nightmares like Houston's piss poor infrastructure

Give and take buddy, there's not really a solution to these complex problems
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Old 12-01-2017, 04:33 AM
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Zoning laws in blue cities and states raise the price of housing. See: san Francisco

Conversely, having no zoning creates dystopian nightmares like Houston's piss poor infrastructure

Give and take buddy, there's not really a solution to these complex problems

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