Upcoming change to class epics

[Shjade]

Originally Posted by McBenz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The devs probably "intended" for Ice Comet, the badass Wizard spell for its time, to not have the same spell message as a level 1 DD, or have the same particle effects as a level 1 DD. But hey, working as intended!

This allows wizards to be stealthy in pvp, obv.

[4WOFURY]

FWIW - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2004-1.html

Do a ctrl+f for "epic".

I understand this isn't during the classic timeline, and isn't talking about a class that's active during our timeline, but there isn't a lot of evidence about what level epics were doable at (If you find some, please post it up. Otherwise, I know the flaws of my post, no need to reiterate them, this isn't RnF)

But the February 10, 2004 notes state that:

- The beastlord epic weapon will no longer "proc" for wielders below the 46th level.

To which we can conclude that the epic was wieldable at levels lower than 46.

It also states on March 23, 2004 that:

-You will now need to be of at least the 50th level to complete the beastlord epic.

And one can draw an assumption that other class epics required the 50th level to complete as well.

I remember doing the Rogue epic quest on live and multi-questing it to others, but I can not remember specifically the level of the recipients.

I do remember that the Rogue epic was especially great because it was a worn effect that worked at low levels where as the other epics with clickables wouldn't work until higher levels.

This is all to be taken with a grain of salt, and to imply that if any change is made, it should be that the epic turn ins should require a level of 50, rather than an undeniably unclassic change such as a required level to wield; at least until further research can be done.

[heartbrand]

It takes a day to get level 46. What are people crying about?

[fastboy21]

Wait...

Does this mean that Nirgon has been right all this while?

/ducks

[keysmash]

Ah, yes, level 1s with epics. That, out of all things, is what I remember most about classic EQ. Without that it is a completely different game!

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It takes a day to get level 46. What are people crying about?

because the fun in twinking to the balls out level is in the pre-50 game. when you're glistening in hot armor and an epic at lvl 10 in crushbone you're hawt. when you do the same thing at lvl 55 in KC, you're just another root rotting annoying shaman.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can anyone give me a reason, other than leveling faster, why not having an epic at low levels is game breaking? Help me understand this. Really.

I can see the red ganking noobs. But what else is there that makes having an epic at low levels important?

It's important for the same reason this server is important. It went something like this in 1999....

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still don't understand. My point was that the people complaining about this aren't the people who supported Luclin removals. And when I asked for names to be pointed out there was no reply. Which only supports my argument. Though, even if people did support those model removals and complained about this, it wouldn't matter. No Luclin models is classic. No epic rogue twinks isn't classic.

Though, if we are making changes to epics based on intent, can we make VS spawn faster, sooner?

I am one of those people. Directly above this post (the one I am quoting) is another one of those people. Removing Luclin models made the server MORE classic. This change is making the server LESS classic (at least from a technical standpoint). I'll admit that epic twinks were rare on live - but not impossible.

As many people have said, making this change doesn't fix anything on THIS server ... it's already well-trashed from a wealth imbalance standpoint.

edit: Alright damnit... your posts are confusing. I just re-read what I quoted and it seems like we are violently agreeing.

[Kutsumo]

This isn't the first custom change on this box and it probably won't be the last. Sometimes non-classic is the lesser evil.

[Uthgaard]

Yeah I had a cleric with epic at 41. Could definitely equip. Just couldn't click until 46. Got much hate for both reasons.