Stop the Socking

[Blaza]

Do you honestly believe that in a FFA situation with no other mobs up a young, new guild would be able to outrace TMO and IB (and Taken, BDA, Div, Omni (not the numbers there, but well geared experienced players))? A young, inexperienced, not-fully geared (i.e. they can't two group/stall tank) will only be able to snag FFA targets if an abundance of said targets are all present at the same time, leading to other guilds being busy and not present at the target.

Young guilds will get more mobs the more often the rotation spins fully around, meaning that having more Class R mobs will benefit them as the rotation spins faster. That is pretty much the only way they realistically will be able to kill a mob, at least until they get kitted out/gain more experience, which will only come from killing mobs, which will only come from being up more often in the rotation, which will only come from there being more class R spawns, etc.

Still loads better than the old "Trak has <4 hours left in window, lets have 140 plus people all sit in the lair' days. Or the VS room, or whatever.

[Justerd]

Who want's to CoTH duck for even 4 hours? I'm just a filthy causal I guess.

Coming from a smaller guild (I don't speak for them) full simulated re-pop FFA's would be more fun. Right now I feel we aren't going to get any because we don't have uber neck beards CoTH ducking for 16 hours. It gives a good way for some of the smaller guilds to be able to compete for some of the lesser mobs but not having to go full on neck beard. Yes, some guilds won't be able to have full numbers on at 2am in the morning but that's what guild alliances are for. I don't know who would get more mobs who wouldn't or bag limits I just think it would be interesting to see how it goes. Although if winter ever comes I feel that no matter what people will be bitching / crying over mobs again.

[Blaza]

Although if winter ever comes I feel that no matter what people will be bitching / crying over mobs again.

Truer words never spoken.

[Lazie]

Peace guys. It's obvious Class R is just going to keep pushing their agenda in this thread instead of looking for a more productive solution that doesn't limit who can compete on these spawns. Daldaen I know you have worked to be somewhat receptive to changes that can really fix the sock. Looks like it's going to actually take Class R officers wanting to make a change that GM's will accept before we can legitimately have this discussion.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Peace guys. It's obvious Class R is just going to keep pushing their agenda in this thread instead of looking for a more productive solution that doesn't limit who can compete on these spawns. Daldaen I know you have worked to be somewhat receptive to changes that can really fix the sock. Looks like it's going to actually take Class R officers wanting to make a change that GM's will accept before we can legitimately have this discussion.

What solutions have you brought forth besides your lone racing idea?

You have yet to even adjust any factors involved in it however we are the ones pushing an agenda?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What solutions have you brought forth besides your lone racing idea?

You have yet to even adjust any factors involved in it however we are the ones pushing an agenda?

Uhm lowering variance and racing while limiting the number of people that can be in game in the zones is the only workable solution. It has the benefit of making the raid scene more approachable to everyone. It is also something the GM's will likely consider if we come to a consensus.

It's the only real change that can limit the socking of zones and reducing the effort Class R guilds have to put in.

[Blaza]

I am in favour of whatever is decided. I just do not see the logic in saying that the current system favours small guild over C/R FFA on repops.

Your argument that having more FFA mobs means more opportunities for small guilds to experience raid content is inherently flawed. I can take my brother to a strip club window, doesn't mean he's seeing tit.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Blaza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am in favour of whatever is decided. I just do not see the logic in saying that the current system favours small guild over C/R FFA on repops.

Your argument that having more FFA mobs means more opportunities for small guilds to experience raid content is inherently flawed. I can take my brother to a strip club window, doesn't mean he's seeing tit.

Last reply of the thread for me. It puts everyone on equal footing for FFA mobs. Making repops FFA when some guilds have an around the clock roster and others don't doesn't. Guilds can look at windows and decide what fits their guilds strengths (When they can have the most numbers around etc.). So yeah bad comparison.

Good luck with the discussion guys!

[Joyelle]

I don't see the difference in a small guild not being able to go after a FFA mob during a middle-of-the-night repop vs same small guild not being able to go after their class R mob during a middle-of-the-night repop.

Actually there is a difference. If a full-out FFA repop happens in the middle of the night and they can't get anyone on to kill it, the small guild doesn't lose their R mob because technically it hasn't even popped yet.

Under the current system, if a small guild is up for a class R mob and a respawn happens in the middle of the night and they can't get a raid force online to kill it, guess what happens? They lose that mob, and then the next spawn is off in class C land.

Stop trying to push your own agenda by misleading people with your false numbers. (See what I did there?)

P.S. Answer the question about VS

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop trying to push your own agenda

I don't know if it can ever stop.

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