Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Nyrod]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God's Work - confirmed best pvp guild

haha i was gonna say that last night

6 God's Work 159 59 46 2 29.50:1 8/20/2013
11 Unrest County Police 22 9 9 2 4.50:1 8/17/2013

top two in ratio...lolz

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lot of straw man arguments floating around here.

No one thinks the server is perfect. Doubt theres anyone in nihilum that wouldn't like to see some things changed regarding pvp like resists, clickies and other mechanics that aren't in the spirit of fairness and fun.

The whole bluebie zerg argument is even dumber today than it ever was in the past in light of the documented evidence on the leaderboards.

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Though some players in Nihilum (and every guild for that matter) favor pve with limited pvp, the majority of our guild like the competition and came to this server for the ability to circumvent the unavoidable cockblock that existed on every blue server since 1999. Suggesting otherwise just makes you look like butthurt man-children.

Look, theres no magic formula that is going to spontaneously produce a high population EQ pvp server in 2013. This is a niche inside a niche. Its was actually pretty amazing to hear there were over 200 concurrent players on red a matter of weeks ago.

Morale is currently down with the opposition, its understandable, but no amount of crying for wipes or attempts to hurt Nihilum by changing the dynamics of the server is going to fix things. The neckbeard is strong with these ones, and most of them would bounce right back in a different scenario or ruleset. The so-called solutions you have should, in general, work on the present server just as well as a new one. If what you're suggesting would "only work on a new server", your theory is probably bullshit and you have ulterior motives.

Hopefully in the coming months some fixes and tweaks can be made, maybe some form of blue>red char copies, and some sort of relaunch can be had for red prior to Velious. Until then, villainizing nihilum for winning isn't going to solve anything, it only makes the playerbase look less worthy of the staffs precious development time than it already does.

More Nihilum supporting the status quo of raid mob farmage - Sirken praising ragebringer epic rogues for leaderboard ratios. This box is doomed.

[Stasis01]

Low pop, toxic community, no economy, no mid game, no groups, no competition.

Bro's FFA no variance clicky wars is the best - this shit works.

I called this earlier, and TBH gm's will eventually side with the Nihilum mind set "these guys worked so hard for their status/pixels" lol - fucking nerds man I hate em.

[mtb tripper]

sirken confirms

[Nyrod]

the amount of delusional people on this forum is over 9000!

in the last 5 years of playing EQ pvp on emu has always been the same and my hope is history wont repeat itself.

server start > pvp resists/encounters broken, sometimes fixed/not fixed > progresses to kunark > stay for 2 years > 1 guild ends up sticking around farming/dominating/holding end game either from start or after other top guilds get burned out > whiny bitches on forum > wipe/repeat

cmon this shit is fucking old, EQ is old, emu is old. what we need is shit to not stay broken, shit to not stay in one place for too long and let people fight this shit out.

people will always fucking whine


ps. sirken said never wipe so thats cool, we need things FIXED, we need to play Velious, work out all that shit, only then can a pure progression pvp server be accomplished.

[Potus]

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly but wasn't there a level restriction on getting your epic?

[Chronoburn]

Thought it was 51 back on classic .... I've never seen so many lvl 10 epic rogues ... and on a server with 200 pop max

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lot of straw man arguments floating around here.

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What exactly does this prove besides the fact that Nihilum has been around the longest and has played every day? Post the "leaderboard" of kills at the 1 month marker, when the masses actually played before quitting due to our hopes and dreams being crushed by the "difficult" PVE life. It's the equivalent of posting the leaderboards of LoZ after every one quit there as well.

And to answer Nihilum's rantings on how "One guild always rises to the top and the other guilds just quit," that's bull. Every VZTZ server that I played on had more competition at end game for much longer despite certain guilds being ahead of others. I think the reason behind that is that the gap between mediocre and top guilds wasn't too difficult too close... Every one could catch up without completely burning out. So I want to be max level in a month instead of three, who cares? As said previously, VZTZ focused on PvP instead of PvE. The result? More consistent high end pvp, competition for raid mobs and also group dungeons. Did this server ever have high end competition? I mean, half of Nihilums original crew exploiting some mage pet bug to reach max level in a few weeks, poop socked dungeons to get far ahead, and it seems like no one has attempted to take their throne yet.

The odd thing is that the faces I've seen in Nihilum haven't been any top competitors in any other PvP server.

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Chronoburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thought it was 51 back on classic .... I've never seen so many lvl 10 epic rogues ... and on a server with 200 pop max

Yeah I want to say it was either 51 or 46 on live. Like the quest npc wouldn't talk to you at a certain point if you weren't the proper level.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The odd thing is that the faces I've seen in Nihilum haven't been any top competitors in any other PvP server.

that's because the majority of top competitors from VZTZ that came to red99 were banned in one fell swoop of GM/dev corruption and left with a bad taste in their mouth