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[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can look at the studies on fruit flies and see that these mutations are almost always harmful.

This sentence is wrong, and everything you write after it is moot.

DNA is an incredibly redundant and changeable molecule. Each gene codes for only one protein, and there are many copies of most genes on every strand of DNA (redundancy). If one gene's expression is fucked up by mutations on that part of the DNA sequence, most often what happens is that the gene isn't expressed because the proper start/stop DNA sequences get messed up in that region. In the rare cases where they are expressed anyway, an altered protein can result. This new protein can then: do NOTHING (most of the time), floating around in cell space; rarely be harmful, either directly poisoning the organism or causing some anomaly (say, blood clotting); or rarely causing some beneficial anomaly, such as a color change in the organism (rare). On top of all that, it is usually not one mutation that causes a trait change, but the accumulation of many. This accumulation of many mutations that all have to do with the same thing enough to cause a change in train is exceedingly rare, beneficial or harmful. Benign mutations literally happen all the time with no change in the organism.

Don't speak unless you know what the fuck you're talking about kthx.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't believe people seriously argue with Naez. Why not go start a dialogue with some crazy homeless person.

It's useful for me in the same way target practice is useful for the marksman.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hitchens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hottest woman in GoT.

The bathtub scene with Jamie? Oh man.

I dunno man, I kind of wanna see Meera and Osha work out their tensions on a pile of furs.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can do it again, but after you've seen it, you go on faith that it would work like that again. Granted this is a well-founded faith, but, like anything beyond the sensation / perception wall, you can't "prove" it. Actual scientists don't use words like "proof" so loosely as lay people because they understand this concept.

This is pretty much what I'm saying honestly. I'm not saying the real world isn't out there, but I am saying for sure that we've never experienced it.

There are things you can prove with science. We both know this.

After you've tested something and it is shown to work time and time again, you don't go on faith that it will work the next time. Your knowledge and experience of the test is what you fall back on, not so much faith of a religious aspect. Sure you can argue that Faith is just trust... okay, you are trusting that your knowledge and experience will not fail you. Faith from a religious standpoint is completely within one's own beliefs, not from religious tests to which have been proven to work consistently. You are putting your faith/trust into something that you have no experience or test results to back.

Don't go throwing around faith so freely when it heavily relies on one's experience in one aspect and isn't needed in the other.

BTW, you can experience something and still not fully understand it. Everyone has experienced the real world and it's highly doubtful anyone ever understood it completely.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Zadrian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who thinks its either evolution or god?

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[Hasbinbad]

Faith has nothing to do with religion. As you say, it amounts to trust.

[Hasbinbad]

And, from a philosophical standpoint, science can prove nothing. Only mathematics and logic, and their derivatives, can be "proven," if you're talking about the scientific jargon rather than the legal jargon definition of the word "proven."

[Hasbinbad]

And the only reason they can be proven is that they exist fully within the conceptual framework, on "our side" of the sensation/perception wall.

[Hasbinbad]

Someone please explain this concept to the derps, I have tried over and over again and they keep being like BUT U CAN PROOOOOVE THINGS DERP

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone has experienced the real world and it's highly doubtful anyone ever understood it completely.

Actually, this is my point here, NO YOU HAVE NOT EVER DONE ANY SUCH THING as experiencing the real world.

You have experience perceptions of what your sensory organs TELL YOU about the real world.

There is a huge difference.