An Apology is owed to Forceful Entry

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being able to get informed does not indicate bias.

Please show how TMO is pulling PD or any VP Dragon onto ledges, and then fighting them in walls. Once you do that you can demonstrate how our cases are alike.

Why would fighting in a wall matter anymore with VP being outdoors? Seems like an idiot idea actually. Could cause all kinds of LOS problems for melee/casters, with zero benefit. Unless you wanted to corner pin him, which is a super common classic feature.

Oh and YOU PULLED DRAGONS TO THE LEDGE FOR WEEKS before the ruling was put into place. VP has rules when it benefits you, and has zero rules when it does not. Keep spinning on the meat pole.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM's also realize pathing in VP is fucked.... which is why they specifically pointed out that the ledges are off limits.

Also, you have still failed to show TMO fighting a VP dragon in a wall.

Keep spinning bro.

The pull itself should be off limits if its an exploit in itself. And pathing exploits are exploits by definition. People used to get banned for city of mist pathing exploits as well. IIRC the only way to get PD to path properly is to babysit him all the way down.

Good luck with that.

[Safon]

Bloody hell...was the cheater admitted to Forceful Entry or not

[Kieu]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trivializing raid content.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Safon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bloody hell...was the cheater admitted to Forceful Entry or not

outlook unclear

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would fighting in a wall matter anymore with VP being outdoors? Seems like an idiot idea actually. Could cause all kinds of LOS problems for melee/casters, with zero benefit. Unless you wanted to corner pin him, which is a super common classic feature.

Oh and YOU PULLED DRAGONS TO THE LEDGE FOR WEEKS before the ruling was put into place. VP has rules when it benefits you, and has zero rules when it does not. Keep spinning on the meat pole.

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pull itself should be off limits if its an exploit in itself. And pathing exploits are exploits by definition. People used to get banned for city of mist pathing exploits as well. IIRC the only way to get PD to path properly is to babysit him all the way down.

Good luck with that.

Dragons being stuck and walls can cause issues with its AoE which has been demonstrated multiple times, with multiple dragons, in multiple zones including VP.

Yes we did pull dragons to the ledge... until a rule was made saying we can't.
The difference here is TMO follows the rules. FE members say well fuck that rule TMO did it once....

These are the rules brah. Stop dodging them

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dragons being stuck and walls can cause issues with its AoE which has been demonstrated multiple times, with multiple dragons, in multiple zones including VP.

Yes we did pull dragons to the ledge... until a rule was made saying we can't.
The difference here is TMO follows the rules. FE members say well fuck that rule TMO did it once....

These are the rules brah. Stop dodging them

Nobody is dodging anything. My point is that pulling any dragon beyond his door and having him glitch anywhere, by letter of the law, is exploiting due to repeatable and relied upon pathing errors. Due to this, you have been cheating in VP since it opened. FE has been as well. Your guild has continually used these exploits in this zone to grief (Nexona? going over the world for example)

If there are no rules in VP this is not an issue. If rules by previous GM's are not in place then killing on the ledge is not an exploit. Which the rule was put in place when it was an indoor zone and ae's could be blocked. Vox and Nagafen are indoors. Trak is Indoors.

IF you want to prove to me that AE's in outdoor zones can be glitched.. put sev or tal in a wall. Otherwise you have no PROOF that it does anything but harm a raid engage.

Either way if VP is lawless, then it should be lawless. If VP has rules, then it should have uniform rules, not subject to YOUR interpretation, which is biased.

[47shadesofgay]

Why you guys arguing about this ledge thing?

Didn't FE wipe anyway? who cares lolo

[quido]

durrrr

[Versus]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either way if VP is lawless, then it should be lawless. If VP has rules, then it should have uniform rules, not subject to YOUR interpretation, which is biased.

I completely agree with you. Except that it is NOT lawless. Call it what you want but for a Non-CSR zone, many rules were made for it. Those rules were made to be followed or else you face a raid suspension. FE knew about the rules but pulled PD to a ledge regardless and undoubtedly figured they would just play dumb/say it was on old rule and it gave no advantage anymore. Bottom line is that you purposefully disobeyed a GM stated VP rule. If TMO did this, you would be bellyaching so hard it would be ridiculous and we would likely face a raid suspension.