My America

[Alawen Everywhere]

You realize that Orwell died 60 years ago, right? Three generations of impending doom!

Have you ever thought that maybe you should stop waiting to die and enjoy your youth?

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize that Orwell died 60 years ago, right? Three generations of impending doom!

Yep, just like watching a car crash in slow motion

[Gorgetrapper]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The US is draining its water at a crazy rate and when theyll run out of it theyre just gonna come here and take it, like theyre doing now with the oil in the middle east. Its like a blackhole folding on itself and Canada is going to get swallowed alongside it.

Well it's pretty much like this, if one country doesn't do it, another will. It's just delaying the inevitable end of the planet after the resources are used up.

It's what countries have been doing for years, taking over other countries because there is something there they want. Like, when Russia took over Afghanistan (and then the Taliban took it back over after years). They were hailed as heroes in their country, and then shortly after, the Taliban turned out WORSE than when Russia took over. Prevention, if Russia was prevented from taking over Afghanistan it would be possible that the Taliban would never have ever risen up to the position that they are in now. Then possibly, the US never would have had a "reason" to go over to the middle east etc etc.
I'm not going to get into it, but everything that is done has a snowballing effect.

It's going to happen one way or another, but prevention is just a delay to the eventual outcome of things.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's going to happen one way or another, but prevention is just a delay to the eventual outcome of things.

Or we could manage water and eco-systems sustainably but NOOOOOOOO! you had to be QUAID!

[Xenephex]

Taxi, do you also put all the Canadian soldiers lying in graves in Normandy in that toilet of yours? Or do you think they were wasting their time since they were thousands of miles from home.

Of course, since the only piece of 'hard' evidence you have actually produced (the rest is mostly propaganda crap that would make Michael Moore blush) is the list of U.N. Vetos by the U.S., and since that list primarily focused on Vetos regarding Israel, I suppose it's possible you think the holocaust was not that big a deal. Hard to figure out exactly where you're coming from.

Orwell also said, "People sleep peacefully in their beds because rough men are willing to do violence on their behalf."

Seriously, insulting all those who have risked (and often lost) their lives for their countries places you beneath contempt. To summon up one more quote - this from Joseph Welch to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Army-McCarthy hearings of the 50's (another episode I'm sure you love to trumpet):

"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Xenephex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously, insulting all those who have risked (and often lost) their lives for their countries places you beneath contempt. To summon up one more quote - this from Joseph Welch to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Army-McCarthy hearings of the 50's (another episode I'm sure you love to trumpet):

"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

I stand by my picture of that guy trying to lift his head high with the rest of his body submerged in a toilet. There is plenty of soldiers who arent proud of what theyve done as soldiers and they dont need me to post some ironic picture to understand that, but it seems Alawen does.

In fact, i think thats the saddest part of soldier life i can think of. That some soldiers, faced with the reality that theyve lost their limbs, their friends, part of their sanity, killed people who had done nothing to deserve it, just to make some people who dont care about them in the least rich, they prefer to dig their heads in the sand and condemn more young people to the same fate.

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

United States Marine Corps. My dad was in the navy and died from chemicals (agent orange) he was exposed to in Vietnam. His dad was in the navy in World War II and in Korea. I am a veteran son of a veteran son of a veteran. Both of them are now buried in the Fort Snelling National Cemetery. (My grandpa died this spring.) I expect to join them in 50 or 60 years.

Very well, and much respect to your grandparents. My own line has served in WWI, Vietnam, and korea.

However, you like me are a descendant of those who died defending against known, direct and overt harm. Korea and Vietnam however, as with Panama, the Gulf, and several others are NOT the same fight, they are NOT fought for the same reason.

They are, and have been admitted to be, false and totally political or money making ventures. These actions do NOT serve the people but rather by their propagation, frequency and propaganda behind them serve to instead reinforce extreme nationalism, xenophobia, and fear.

You hold your head high for "serving" but it seems more by your ancestors actions do you hold yourself by. As of yet you have not, to my knowledge, done anything to directly defend and aid the people of America, outside the very few who directly profiteered from the actions via a bank statement.

I have nothing but respect for those who quietly serve acting silently yet critically in defense of their country (whatever country that may be FYI) but to harp upon passive acts of service as if it makes you a better judge of freedom or liberty, or to constantly remind people of your "status" is worthy of maybe not contempt but surely derision.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have nothing but respect for those who quietly serve acting silently yet critically in defense of their country (whatever country that may be FYI)

Thats the problem i have with the US military, when was the last time the US defended itself? Bombing water treatment facilities in Iraq is not self-defense.

Its on a permanent war economy and as soon as enemy du jour #1 is down, another is picked to take its place. Thats my main gripe, if the US was getting attacked and foreign tanks were in US streets, id probably head down there and help you guys fight. But i cant think of a US war i could support since WW2.

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats the problem i have with the US military, when was the last time the US defended itself? Bombing water treatment facilities in Iraq is not self-defense.

Its on a permanent war economy and as soon as enemy du jour #1 is down, another is picked to take its place. Thats my main gripe, if the US was getting attacked and foreign tanks were in US streets, id probably head down there and help you guys fight. But i cant think of a US war i could support since WW2.

I might...MIGHT, add somalia to that honestly. Though not an act of self defense it was an act of debatable (and ill informed) honest aid and help. But that soon went to shit in a handbasket, nor was it profitable enough.

It does beg the question of Sierra Leone, the Congo, and several other places that could actually HONESTLY use a hand that have been not only neglected but actively buried, burned and forgotten by the majority of the Public and Press in the western world.

[Xenephex]

Jesus, Shadowwulf, do you even have the slightest inkling of the history of the Korean war? And while I'm not going to try to defend Vietnam, which was mis-guided, massively mis-managed and completely mis-understood by almost everyone, have you ever wondered why it is that Taxi even has a 'Vietnamese neighbor?' Why so many of us have so many Vietnamese neighbors? Ask them some time.

It's because the North Vietnamese communists, who many in my generation hailed as 'freedom fighters', in the end turned out to the murderous thugs that almost every communist government turns out to be, and as a result a boatload (literally) of people in South Vietnam were willing to risk their lives and lose everything they had to get the hell out of there (and come here) once the communists took over. Double ditto for Cambodia.

I could almost deal with your incredibly simplistic world view, but the underlying ignorance you guys display makes it hopeless to even try to engage in a hostile dialogue.

Going to the quote well one last time, Churchill (he's in Wikipedia if you don't know who he is), once called Mussolini a 'utensil.' He could only have described you idiots as 'sporks.'

Have fun; link a youtube video or something.