NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[Origen]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What gender are you?

I will ask again in 1 hour.

(You see where this is going [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

Male, I don't have the dysphoria. But I respect that you are implying this can change anytime. I am comfortable in the present. Doesn't mean things won't change in the future. I'd make an excellent woman, or even something in between.

[Landroval]

I beg to differ. You'd make an annoyingly retarded woman, just like you're an annoyingly retarded whatever right now

[Origen]

That's fine, your opinions mean nothing to me no matter my place on the gender spectrum

[unsunghero]

“Tyson said it took a while for her to accept her own identity over fears that once she did accept herself as a woman she’d hear others say, “no, you’re not.””

- MAYBE

MAYBE

During all this “extensive therapy” you should work on not letting the opinions of people you don’t know or respect dictate your fears in life or how you feel about yourself

But what do I know? Instead keep letting trolls control you, Chris. Solid plan, ma’am

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Debate club rules in this Ooloo post are set to the "Off" position.

To answer, I dunno, wasn't my claim. Watching Ooloo move the goalposts around, yet again, is always fun.

Haha what goalposts am I moving? All I ask is that when you want me to "refute the science" on transgenderism, you actually provide some science to refute. Like, a study, or a paper, or a peer reviewed blind control. Anything. Literally anything.

This is all incredibly new and experimental, so it's your job to provide evidence that it's a good thing to do. It's not my job to provide evidence that it's not. You have the burden of proof totally backward on this.

Or just tap yet again by posting "this isn't debate club" or whatever.

[Landroval]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha what goalposts am I moving? All I ask is that when you want me to "refute the science" on transgenderism, you actually provide some science to refute. Like, a study, or a paper, or a peer reviewed blind control. Anything. Literally anything.

This is all incredibly new and experimental, so it's your job to provide evidence that it's a good thing to do. It's not my job to provide evidence that it's not. You have the burden of proof totally backward on this.

Or just tap yet again by posting "this isn't debate club" or whatever.

Most of that "science" was torched 80 years ago, unfortunately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld

[Origen]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like, a study, or a paper, or a peer reviewed blind control. Anything. Literally anything.

Okay since I have to make this horse drink

“Decisions about medical care belong within the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship,” the AMA wrote in its letter. “As with all medical interventions, physicians are guided by their ethical duty to act in the best interest of their patients and must tailor recommendations about specific interventions and the timing of those interventions to each patient’s unique circumstances. Such decisions must be sensitive to the child’s clinical situation, nurture the child’s short and long-term development, and balance the need to preserve the child’s opportunity to make important life choices autonomously in the future. We believe it is inappropriate and harmful for any state to legislatively dictate that certain transition-related services are never appropriate and limit the range of options physicians and families may consider when making decisions for pediatric patients.”

From: https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...ender-children

What, specifically, is wrong with this statement by the AMA? Remember to provide sources -those things at the bottom that cite papers and studies that are always absent from right wing youtube.

1 Sari Reisner, et al., Psychiatric Diagnoses and Comorbidities in a Diverse, Multicity Cohort of Young Transgender Women: Baseline Findings from Project LifeSkills, 170 J. Am. Med. Ass’n Pediatrics 5, 481–86 (May 2016).

2 Ashli Owen-Smith, et al., Association Between Gender Confirmation Treatments and Perceived Gender Congruence, Body Image Satisfaction, and Mental Health in a Cohort of Transgender Individuals, 15 J Sexual Med 4, 591-600 (Apr. 2018); Michelle Marie Johns, et al., Protective Factors Among Transgender and Gender Variant Youth: A Systematic Review by Socioecological Level, 39 J Primary Prevention 3, 263-301 (Jun. 2018).

3 M. Hassan Murad, et al., Hormonal Therapy and Sex Reassignment: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Quality of Life and Psychosocial Outcomes, 72 Clinical Endocrinology 2, 214-331 (Feb. 2010); Yolanda Smith, et al., Sex Reassignment: Outcomes and Predictors of Treatment for Adult and Adolescent Transsexuals, 35 Psychological Med. 1, 89-99 (Jan. 2005).

4 Jessica Xavier, Admin. HIV and AIDS, D.C. Gov’t, The Washington Transgender Needs Assessment Survey (2000); Wendy Bostwick & Gretchen Kenagy, Health and Social Service Needs of Transgendered People in Chicago, 8 Int’l J Transgenderism 2-3, 57-66 (Oct. 2008); Cathy Reback, et al., Los Angeles Transgender Health Study: Community Report (2001).

[Origen]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, I do know more about pediatrics than pediatricians who want to turn boys into girls. Yep, that's true.

Great here's the second paper in that link, show me how you got that Youtube certification by dismantling this paper -the second one in the list above.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5882508/

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is all incredibly new and experimental, so it's your job to provide evidence that it's a good thing to do. It's not my job to provide evidence that it's not. You have the burden of proof totally backward on this.

Nothing new at all.

Puberty-blocking drugs postpone the process by suppressing gonadotropin hormone release. They include:

Lupron (leuprolide), a monthly or once-every-three-months intramuscular injection
Fensolvi, a different leuprolide injection administered subcutaneously every six months
Triptodur (triptorelin), a six-month intramuscular injection
Supprelin (histrelin), an annual surgical implant

While puberty blockers have been scrutinized by some due to their use in caring for transgender children, these drugs have been in use since the 1980s and are overwhelmingly safe if used appropriately.

First sex change surgery was done in 1960s.

The burden of proof fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone tries to evade their burden of proof, by denying it, pretending to have fulfilled it, or shifting it to someone else.


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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing new at all.

Puberty-blocking drugs postpone the process by suppressing gonadotropin hormone release. They include:

Lupron (leuprolide), a monthly or once-every-three-months intramuscular injection
Fensolvi, a different leuprolide injection administered subcutaneously every six months
Triptodur (triptorelin), a six-month intramuscular injection
Supprelin (histrelin), an annual surgical implant

While puberty blockers have been scrutinized by some due to their use in caring for transgender children, these drugs have been in use since the 1980s and are overwhelmingly safe if used appropriately.

First sex change surgery was done in 1960s.

The burden of proof fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone tries to evade their burden of proof, by denying it, pretending to have fulfilled it, or shifting it to someone else.


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I’m guessing that the “appropriate” medical situation for needing to block puberty prior is far less common than gender dysphoria is today

Generally, when you being practicing a drug or medical procedure on more total people, you are probably going to get a wider range of negative side effects, due to different people’s physiology responding differently

So, we’ll see what new ones start to crop up with this new generation of test dummies