stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Faron]

The point is that societies do not exist in a vacuum where something like a crime rate is affected by a singular factor (the availability of a particular weapon). I don't understand why people don't focus on the actual problem: criminals. And in particular: people who want to kill as many people as possible. A gun sitting on their desk, or knowing that one can be easily purchased at Walmart does not cause people to be criminals or mass murderers.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Faron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is that societies do not exist in a vacuum where something like a crime rate is affected by a singular factor (the availability of a particular weapon). I don't understand why people don't focus on the actual problem: criminals. And in particular: people who want to kill as many people as possible. A gun sitting on their desk, or knowing that one can be easily purchased at Walmart does not cause people to be criminals or mass murderers.

I don't disagree that there aren't more factors. All of which need to be addressed. But an assault-style weapon easily purchased at Wal-Mart makes a future Newtown killer's job so much easier, don't you agree?

[Vadd]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't disagree that there aren't more factors. All of which need to be addressed. But an assault-style weapon easily purchased at Wal-Mart makes a future Newtown killer's job so much easier, don't you agree?

I keep seeing people harp on this "assault style" shit....

A high powered, bolt action hunting rifle has the SAME deadly potential as any "assault style" rifle purchased at Walmart.

Are you shooting one person in a small room?

People exiting a public transportation unit?

Are you targeting helpless children, or physically capable adults?

How far away are you?

What cover is available to potential victims?

What is your skill level with a firearm?

There are SO many factors to take into consideration when think about what COULD happen....

Guy with PISTOLS runs into an elementary school full of small CHILDREN and WOMEN....
What the fuck do you think the outcome is going to be?

Same fucking loser could have walked into ANY other place and got knocked the fuck out before having a chance to fire off for than a couple of shots, "assault style" weapon or not.

All of this is very situational.

Anyway, all of this focused, repetitive imagery of "assault style" weapons makes me feel uncomfortable. I feel like its being used as a scare tactic, and too many people are just eating it up.

"Okay, we make them THINK this, so they agree to let us do this. And THEN, from there, we'll go after THIS next, until....."

Until YOU'VE all willingly become these other fish in some other barrel.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Vadd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep seeing people harp on this "assault style" shit....

A high powered, bolt action hunting rifle has the SAME deadly potential as any "assault style" rifle purchased at Walmart.

Are you shooting one person in a small room?

People exiting a public transportation unit?

Are you targeting helpless children, or physically capable adults?

How far away are you?

What cover is available to potential victims?

What is your skill level with a firearm?

There are SO many factors to take into consideration when think about what COULD happen....

Guy with PISTOLS runs into an elementary school full of small CHILDREN and WOMEN....
What the fuck do you think the outcome is going to be?

Same fucking loser could have walked into ANY other place and got knocked the fuck out before having a chance to fire off for than a couple of shots, "assault style" weapon or not.

All of this is very situational.

Anyway, all of this focused, repetitive imagery of "assault style" weapons makes me feel uncomfortable. I feel like its being used as a scare tactic, and too many people are just eating it up.

"Okay, we make them THINK this, so they agree to let us do this. And THEN, from there, we'll go after THIS next, until....."

Until YOU'VE all willingly become these other fish in some other barrel.

This seems a little too aggressive and hostile. It also comes off as you just throwing the female in the middle of a conversation and then bombarding her with questions. Idk, I will give this pick up line a shot, but I am fairly certain that I will get the cops called on me.

[Lexical]

Also on the subject of mass killings, which is what we should be arguing about, is that they don't need to involve guns. If some one wants to kill a school and can't get a high powered rifle, where do you think they are going to turn? Homemade bombs most likely which could actually drastically increase the number of deaths and injured when such tragedies occur.

[Lexical]

Right now I have a pretty good one involving a sugar packet, but it backfires way too much.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right now I have a pretty good one involving a sugar packet, but it backfires way too much.

Just ask them if they want to go home with you. You get slapped - and laid - more often.

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[Lexical]

I even have a follow up if the girl turns out to be a feminist. I just throw down an equal packet instead. I would even make a wager that says it is more effective.

[Lexical]

I am not looking to increase the sample size. What I want is an increased rate of success.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not looking to increase the sample size. What I want is an increased rate of success.

Confidence + Humor = success. Master that, and you will be okay.