TMO declares Gorenaire an endangered species!

[Grozmok]

I don't know what you're talking about, but ad hominem attacks probably won't get you very far.

You wonder why everyone except TMO, hates TMO.

Also, thanks for the sig btw.

[Stealin Dragons]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't start raiding until Velious, which I didn't get to until after Luclin was released. So I'm taking this opportunity to see content I haven't seen before, while it is "difficult" to do so. Yes, I could make a character on EZ and be clearing VP in a few hours, but that's nowhere near representative of the zone the way the original developers intended it.

Do I think this server is a perfect representation of the original developer's intentions? No. Do I think its the best available without owning a Mac? Yes.

Besides not knowing the raiding scene was as bad as it was before starting ("the real game isn't anywhere near as bad as the forums make them out to be"), I stuck around because EQMac was not planned to go F2P, I don't have plans to buy a Mac, and I thought I might be able to do some actual good for the server. My version of "good" obviously doesn't gel with your version of "good".

If you are looking for the competition side of things, the tagging a mob before another person/guild and winning, why don't you play WoW's BGs? Arathi Basin is all about tagging the post before another person, and you have the actual ability to engage that person.

PVP and Raiding competition are 2 different things.

I've done WoW bgs, I've helped people get Grand Marshal in classic WoW. I did the arena Glad thing as well in BC. Been there done that.

However, I never did anything remotely close to fighting another guild for a raid target. So joining p99's raid scene was fun to me. If I wanted free easy loot, I would play WoW. I didn't want loot just handed to me tho.

Let's be real after all, P99 has never been what most people here want. A carebear server that gives people free loot. The server staff have done everything possible to make the loot from dragons rare and to force competition. The only classic thing about the server is possibly the xp rates to hit 60.

I raided on P99 for what it was, not what I wanted it to be.

Originally Posted by bylbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can only blame yourself for that, by yourself i mean you guild, some of your members went completly out of their way and forgot it was just a game after all. Peoples coming here come to have some fun not be stalked by some creepy dudes or have to deal with endless drama (most of us got enough of that IRL allready). Good competition requires respect from both sides.

You reply as if I am mad at the outcome. All things come to an end. It was bound to happen and I am happy that my side won. If p99 'competition' is over, so be it, I've seen many things come to an end in quite a few mmos. As far as most of you (vd), your guild leaders caused your problems - not TMO. We waged war against 2 guilds working together for 6months straight without letting up. We dealt with both of your shit for far to long to care what you feel is right and wrong. Your guild leaders chose the path that your guild wanted to take, we chose ours in response.

If you want to get upset about the out comes and how things went down. You should probably look at the actions that led up to the points. Trying to preach that it was all one sides fault is pretty childish.

Could TMO have not responded in such a way? sure. Could VD not have responded in their own ways? sure. Guess that is what happens when each guild tries to keep one up on the other.

[Paumad]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what you're talking about, but ad hominem attacks probably won't get you very far.

You wonder why everyone except TMO, hates TMO.

Also, thanks for the sig btw.

You're right, I shouldn't call you out when you twist my words and are generally full of it. You're welcome for the sig and I'm sorry I hurt your feelings; don't quit over it. Keep hating, young community representative.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Stealin Dragons [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's be real after all, P99 has never been what most people here want. A carebear server that gives people free loot.

No. That is not what most people here want. We want to see content we've never seen before, revisit content we have seen, and earn our loot through fair competition. I would rather get one mob on a simultaneous respawn than 5 mobs on a rotation, because the former has to be earned (since it requires you to mobilize and takes some semblance of skill to accomplish). It's not like p99's raid scene has to be one extreme (rotations) or the other (ridiculously long variances). There's a happy middle that's still competitive and accessible to people who aren't chained to their keyboards.

PS: The above isn't to be interpreted as an attack against TMO.

[Stealin Dragons]

Originally Posted by Paumad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, I shouldn't call you out when you twist my words and are generally full of it. You're welcome for the sig and I'm sorry I hurt your feelings; don't quit over it. Keep hating, young community representative.

you should ignore him, he's just another harrison clone.

He has been here for 3-4 months (possibly less) and only posts to defend his friend/s, despite not every having participated in any of the raiding on the server.

He is an ignorant bystander that preaches only what he is fed and what he imagines after reading gossip posts on the forums.

Aka, he is belligerent fool.

[Grozmok]

Originally Posted by Paumad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, I shouldn't call you out when you twist my words and are generally full of it. You're welcome for the sig and I'm sorry I hurt your feelings; don't quit over it. Keep hating, young community representative.

Feel free to keep carrying on. I know that being the kings of pixels feels good in a thirteen year old game on an emulator server.

Feelings? LOL

Originally Posted by Stealin Dragons [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you should ignore him, he's just another harrison clone.

He has been here for 3-4 months (possibly less) and only posts to defend his friend/s, despite not every having participated in any of the raiding on the server.

He is an ignorant bystander that preaches only what he is fed and what he imagines after reading gossip posts on the forums.

Aka, he is belligerent fool.

Indeed.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what you're talking about, but ad hominem attacks probably won't get you very far.

You wonder why everyone except TMO, hates TMO.

Also, thanks for the sig btw.

So you respond with an adhominem? Poisoning the well? Don't even try logical fallacies with me kujo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Stealin Dragons]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. That is not what most people here want. We want to see content we've never seen before, revisit content we have seen, and earn our loot through fair competition. I would rather get one mob on a simultaneous respawn than 5 mobs on a rotation, because the former has to be earned (since it requires you to mobilize and takes some semblance of skill to accomplish). It's not like p99's raid scene has to be one extreme (rotations) or the other (ridiculously long variances). There's a happy middle that's still competitive and accessible to people who aren't chained to their keyboards.

I said most, not all.

However, most of the fantasy scenarios that people wish of the raiding scene are just as unlikely.

Wanting non-rotations but want hours to engage.

Wanting to have other guilds back off just because you were the first to port a group to the zone. (how is this any different than snagging FTE?)

Wanting shots at mobs without a variance, without poopsocking and without having to log in randomly.

There are a great deal of things people want that either have bad consequences or just aren't well thought out.

[Grozmok]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you respond with an adhominem? Poisoning the well?

It's what people seem to know best around here. When in Rome.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Grozmok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure. I think that server restarts would go a long way to helping end game for the non-TMO crowd, though.

Doubtful, last server repop TMO kept a scorecard on their old recruitment post in the guild forums(thread hidden/deleted now), it was quite good but left little up for anyone else on the server. Conscience efforts to leave mobs up like this Gore would go a lot further in helping the raid scene with non bat-phone raids.