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[Bones]

Originally Posted by Xathos53 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The THJ crowd will continue to deny that its monetization is what caused the lawsuit. They will then continue to claim that THJ is just an emu like any other emu while ignoring the actual case which shows otherwise. As we've already seen, they've attempted to blame DBG for shutting down other servers when in truth DBG did not do so.

So, here we are with THJ folks lying their asses off. Nothing new under the sun. They brought this on themselves, so fuck them.

Not a THJ crowd member, but you are just wrong here buddy. The popularity of THJ is what caused the lawsuit. The monetization was just legal ammo, if you cant see that you simply do not understand how this shit works, or you are just being intentionally disingenuous out of anger for what's happening and wanting to point the finger and probably a die hard anti-RMT guy. Its pointed in the right direction, but at the wrong thing. This is THJs fault, but its not because of RMT.

DBG was bleeding players to THJ. They knew it. The cash shop literally just gave them easy legal ammo for a quick judicial decision for a preliminary injunction. Even if THJ didn't make any money at all and there was no cash shop, they are STILL at the very least issuing a C&D in that scenario, and then moving on to lawsuit if the C&D is not abided; a lawsuit they still win in that scenario EVEN if there was no RMT going on, because DBG was able to prove with quarterly reports on revenue that they were bleeding money and subscriptions while THJs active player numbers were going up.

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a THJ crowd member, but you are just wrong here buddy. The popularity of THJ is what caused the lawsuit. The monetization was just legal ammo, if you cant see that you simply do not understand how this shit works, or you are just being intentionally disingenuous out of anger for what's happening and wanting to point the finger and probably a die hard anti-RMT guy. Its pointed in the right direction, but at the wrong thing. This is THJs fault, but its not because of RMT.

DBG was bleeding players to THJ. They knew it. The cash shop literally just gave them easy legal ammo for a quick judicial decision for a preliminary injunction. Even if THJ didn't make any money at all and there was no cash shop, they are STILL at the very least issuing a C&D in that scenario, and then moving on to lawsuit if the C&D is not abided; a lawsuit they still win in that scenario EVEN if there was no RMT going on, because DBG was able to prove with quarterly reports on revenue that they were bleeding money and subscriptions while THJs active player numbers were going up.

If DBG was smart they would go at EQ emu and just set it up so people host emu servers on their platform and collect a cut. Who is running things over there lol

[shovelquest]

That would be epic.

Battlefield 1942 came with the mod servers on the main server select (I think battlefield 6 is going to do this too?) and it brought me, and a lot of people who dont mod, into one place and there were so many amazing mods

starwars, gijoe, spider tanks, desert combat, there were tons of others too like vietnam and hardcore mods, it was cool.

Would be amazing to see that with everquest.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a THJ crowd member, but you are just wrong here buddy. The popularity of THJ is what caused the lawsuit. The monetization was just legal ammo, if you cant see that you simply do not understand how this shit works, or you are just being intentionally disingenuous out of anger for what's happening and wanting to point the finger and probably a die hard anti-RMT guy. Its pointed in the right direction, but at the wrong thing. This is THJs fault, but its not because of RMT.

DBG was bleeding players to THJ. They knew it. The cash shop literally just gave them easy legal ammo for a quick judicial decision for a preliminary injunction. Even if THJ didn't make any money at all and there was no cash shop, they are STILL at the very least issuing a C&D in that scenario, and then moving on to lawsuit if the C&D is not abided; a lawsuit they still win in that scenario EVEN if there was no RMT going on, because DBG was able to prove with quarterly reports on revenue that they were bleeding money and subscriptions while THJs active player numbers were going up.

I mean to be clear an IP owner doesn't need "easy legal ammo" to enforce their IP. They can get an injunction whenever they want.

The one thing I think that goes against the population argument is that when Green launched there were over 2,000 people on the server and Daybreak didn't try to pull any shenanigans to try to revoke the agreement. Quarm has had a lot of people on it too, and Daybreak just asked them to remove certain custom content and agree not to go past a certain expansion (IIRC). They seem to understand there is a certain amount of goodwill/PR by allowing emulated servers to exist, but they have historically had a problem if they think you're going to try and monetize it.

[shovelquest]

You're talking 2k ppv vs 30k.

Nos twas 800k before it got shut down.

[shovelquest]

Also Thj was just hitting its viral growing phase, every day more and more people were joining. More and more videos and streams.

And the cope de grace: Fangbreaker flop

Green server specifically was in the agreement. And was all organized with it to not release until after one of the upcoming tlp server launches.

[sammoHung]

honestly its because daybreaks bloodhound gang of laywers sniffed the grift, and they stepped in to be the heroes of the EQEmu community by shutting down a project that was collecting massive donation money based on stolen IP using a pre-existing codebase that developers on EQEmu have spent years building before it was appropriated into a for-profit money making scheme.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're talking 2k ppv vs 30k.

I'm talking 2k+ average online. THJ's average online was ~1.7k with a max around 4k at the highest measurement.

We don't know what the total number of P99 users is. And as we all know, it's a difficult number to even place relevance on, as it's hard to differentiate whether an account is truly a unique user or is an alternate account as most are set up with separate emails, etc.

That's why actively online numbers are more important. And Daybreak doesn't seem to care about those as much as they do monetization, which they have proven by contrasting their pursuit of THJ versus their willingness to allow 4 figure population servers to exist without monetization.

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[cd288]

Originally Posted by sammoHung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly its because daybreaks bloodhound gang of laywers sniffed the grift, and they stepped in to be the heroes of the EQEmu community by shutting down a project that was collecting massive donation money based on stolen IP using a pre-existing codebase that developers on EQEmu have spent years building before it was appropriated into a for-profit money making scheme.

Agreed

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Fangbreaker flop was an own goal. A long time coming own goal.

The issue with THJ is a distraction from the fact decreasing numbers of people want to turn the sacred krono wheels anymore with these TLP's. The Fangbreaker ruleset is just oppressive. It's like if you could take Gaza's No Absolutes in Human Suffering LP and turn it into a game. At least that is what it felt like to me anyway.

There's something rotten about the TLP routine and EQ is a warehoused IP. There is no one to "fix" whatever the TLP problem is, and no margins to play with. An ugly time for live.

If they could come for p99 they would.