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[robayon]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lefty using hypocrisy as an argument is peak delusion.

Feel free to make a cogent argument yourself, I guess, until then you're still categorized as a lazy reactionary

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feel free to make a cogent argument yourself, I guess, until then you're still categorized as a lazy reactionary

Sure, up until 4 seconds ago the left was hell bent on using terms like "birthing person". Now women are back on the top of the stack. The lefts problem is they pretend to care about far too many issues. The strength of the right is it's ability to boil down and focus on issues for what they really are.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military. Becoming pregnant is completely within the control of the mother, with the obvious exception of the rare and terrible case of rape.

The military deals with situations that often form outside of America's control. Many times military operations are in a grey area. When we were attacked on 9/11, we could have certainly not gone to war. On the one hand that could have reduced the total number of deaths caused by war in the past 20 years. On the other hand attacks could have continued on America if we showed that we had no interest in defending ourselves.

Which scenario would save more lives? Nobody knows. But we do know that not having an abortion will save the babies life most of the time.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military. Becoming pregnant is completely within the control of the mother, with the obvious exception of the rare and terrible case of rape.

The military deals with situations that often form outside of America's control. Many times military operations are in a grey area. When we were attacked on 9/11, we could have certainly not gone to war. On the one hand that could have reduced the total number of deaths caused by war in the past 20 years. On the other hand attacks could have continued on America if we showed that we had no interest in defending ourselves.

Which scenario would save more lives? Nobody knows. But we do know that not having an abortion will save the babies life most of the time.

Until you throw it in the street or sex traffic it to Russia in order to be some politicians new handler. Great job. 👍

I say we skip the concentration camps and just recycle people. Turn em directly into jet fuel or bombs, who needs oil than?

[robayon]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue here is you think you can compare something like abortion to the military.

I can and I will. And I am also talking about systems bigger than the military, like capitalism itself. And American foreign policy. Our system murders shitloads of people, largely in other countries, to keep our goods cheap, more or less. But somehow nobody on the right wants to tangle with this fact.

Are ALL of those due to the USA alone? No, of course not. But I'll continue to criticize it from the standpoint of the USA because I am an American myself. There's blood on everyone's hands here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can and I will. And I am also talking about systems bigger than the military, like capitalism itself. And American foreign policy. Our system murders shitloads of people, largely in other countries, to keep our goods cheap, more or less. But somehow nobody on the right wants to tangle with this fact.

Are ALL of those due to the USA alone? No, of course not. But I'll continue to criticize it from the standpoint of the USA because I am an American myself. There's blood on everyone's hands here.

Well you certainly have the right to be wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Freedom of speech.

But it is factually incorrect to compare the military to abortion. You are basically just saying anything with a similar outcome (death) is the same. That is nonsensical.

Logically that is like saying "Working in a factory is equal to abortion because some jobs are dangerous enough to kill you".

[robayon]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well you certainly have the right to be wrong[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Freedom of speech.

But it is factually incorrect to compare the military to abortion. You are basically just saying anything with a similar outcome (death) is the same. That is nonsensical.

Logically that is like saying "Working in a factory is equal to abortion because some jobs are dangerous enough to kill you".

Here's the rub: is every person killed by the state or its tentacles through some means justified? Every casualty of war? Noncombatants? Civilians who are in the wrong building?

What about someone who takes a job in a dangerous sweatshop because they have no other feasible option, and then gets killed? What about pollution from that sweatshop causing a series of miscarriages in a village downstream from the water source it pollutes?

Until we address these complicated things, conservatives bloviating about abortions in the USA, and using the state to attempt to control it, is hypocrisy. We all look the other way on a certain amount of death

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Buddy, I didn't say it has no effect. I just think the forces of our entire system create way more "effect" than any amount of abortions inside the USA. Which is why I will continue to criticize anyone who claims to be "pro-life" but is also pro-military, anti-socialized healthcare, pro-capitalism et cetera. Way more death in the wake of all of that. Including babies. The state already sees all of us as expendable. I don't think any billionaires post here.

I do not understand your last two paragraphs

Nowhere did I suggest that, or even imply that was an effect of outlawing abortion: No it creates the idea that a child is expendable and that you stay young and should work (do tiktok) until you are going through menopause and its too late to have kids.

I WILL argue that the kids who are having too much fun with their college degrees, to decide to buckle down and get a job, and work hard, is both the reason we're collapsing, and a result of the 20-40 rumbspringah melinials think life is meant to be.

I didnt, nor do I imply that its birth control, not related, not what im talking about.

I will argue that today, the kids enjoying their post college graduation, by having fun, going to bars and concerts, spending money like its free, saving nothing, not planning on their future, not looking for someone to settle down with forever, but someone to settle down with that night, is causing society to become the tiktok loving endorphans first fyrefest greedy give me more give it to me now, WORST example of what capitalism has to offer.

The destruction of even the IDEA that a 20 year old should be a parent, is causing 20 year olds to commit crime and ruin their lives.

"pro-life" but is also pro-military,

To be absolutely clear tucker carlson, and the trump fans, are staunchly anti war.

They didnt used to be, but we are now, because the other side is STRONGLY pro war. STRONGLY. I know, because I used to be on the other side, until my allies started talking crazy and my enemies started talking rationally.

I have not changed, but you can compare tucker today from tucker years ago and its a FACT he did.

[starkind]

So instead of offering to take care of babies and make the world fit for them and their mom's you'll just throw more people in Mordors "jails". Indenturing them to the state and the corporations benefitting from the state.

You're all legendary heroes to me. For taking the lazy Satanic way out.

[Jibartik]

Whos not offering to take care of kids? Adopting is a privilege in this country under the current law.