A Shady Goblin (Ring Roll) in Warsilk Woods

[Senescant]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually you do. That's how agreements work here: it's not a democracy. If five people want to click and twenty-five want to roll, it doesn't matter: the staff will not punish those people for clicking (and again, all you have to do is look at Scout for proof).

If it's not a democracy then why would the opinions of the 25 outweigh the 5? If 15 people want to pre-roll and 10 people don't, why wouldn't we pre-roll? Because you said so?

Not everyone agree'd that rolling was the way to go, but they rolled because the majority wanted to roll.

Until staff comes out and says "here's the way we want to see it done" changes can be made if people want them.

This isn't the same as scout due to the variance, it doesn't need to be handled in the exact same way if people want to do things differently. If people want to poopsock and roll then sure, but just because 2 people here say "oh its a bad idea because of reasons x/y/z" doesn't mean other people aren't entitled to their opinions on the matter.

[Senescant]

The current system isn't good. People put up with it because you sit and shame them into it for 3 hours a day. I don't think the current system is much better than a clickfest at all due to the variance.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's not a democracy then why would the opinions of the 25 outweigh the 5? If 15 people want to pre-roll and 10 people don't, why wouldn't we pre-roll? Because you said so?

No, because that's how things work here. God you are full of yourself: don't listen to me, fine, but listen to SOMEONE besides yourself. Go read the damn Scout thread!

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The current system isn't good. People put up with it because you sit and shame them into it for 3 hours a day. I don't think the current system is much better than a clickfest at all due to the variance.

Then you're an idiot, and you just admitted it to the forum. Clickfests are completely unfair and give a huge advantage to people with low latency and/or Autofire-like capabilities. You're literally saying you don't see why a fair system is much better than unfair one.

I'm done with you, at least until you go read Scout thread.

[Senescant]

Fair and better aren't the same thing Loramin. Obviously being fair is overall better than being unfair, but just because the roll is fair doesn't mean its head and shoulders better.

Feel free to post what from the scout thread you feel is relevant. As one of the people who helped to make scout a roll, I continue to point out that they are different situations due to the variance.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Senescant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair and better aren't the same thing Loramin. Obviously being fair is overall better than being unfair, but just because the roll is fair doesn't mean its head and shoulders better.

Feel free to post what from the scout thread you feel is relevant. As one of the people who helped to make scout a roll, I continue to point out that they are different situations due to the variance.

I'd respond by pointing out that your claim to being involved with Scout is directly contradicted (or at least made very confusing) by your belief that a majority of players can enforce their will on the rest of the players (despite evidence during the Scout mess that proved exactly that to be false) ... but like I said I'm done with you.

Think of this as me doing the forum thing where I quote "This user's message isn't shown because they are on your ignore list." Because we all know that even the people who actually do that don't really put those people on ignore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Not_Mikeo]

Pre-roll!

[Dogma]

Shouldn't confuse people being open to alternative systems if the majority agree with them suggesting that they're unhappy with the current system. Unnamed supposed masses mind you.

Fact is that there's a healthy showing at this point and all those attending since the adoption of a roll system have agreed to the roll.

[Senescant]

It’s many of the people that are there that have said we should find a way to pre-roll. If most of the people there want to do that then why wouldn’t we?

[Senescant]

I’m suggesting we roll when the assumed window opens, 24h after turn in. Most people aren’t at work at 12:30am tonight...

Those with jobs could roll and go on with their evenings if they’d like. If anything it’s a boon for the casual/working player.

[Senescant]

It’ll be 9:30 for me. Huzzah for time zones. And variance will move the window throughout the day. Sorry your argument against was a poor one.