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[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would end racism in your opinion? Just curious

I am posting a lot, loramin I believe patraim may be overshadowed and he does deserve a clear answer, also I am curious what is your 5 point plan?

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS: I still don't understand the success of Nigerians and the lack of their representation in prison since they are west African just like African americans

can u elaborate on this?

If the stats are, nigerians go to prison at a far less rate than african americans, in america.

My guess would be, african american culture is fucking awful and encourages violence and crime in every way it possibly can, and nigerians are superior simply because they are not raised in america and told the same horse shit americans are about how black people have no hope at success because the system is trying to keep them down and that if you want to get up on it you gotta hustle and break the law (because the laws are only there to hurt you anyway).

With that being said, since racism is not a problem anymore, black people who are not raised in that environment excell and black people that are, some how go to jail... then you start the blame game all over again and base it on false narritives and send more african americans to jail.

Sad

libs are at more at fault when it comes to racism "today" than any other social group in the USA

[Jimjam]

Generally immigrants immigrate because they want to work and improve their lives, and don't intend to end up in jail, whereas those bought up in a culture of ennui snapchat "LOL YOLO"?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would end racism in your mind? Just curious

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Short answer: racism an incredibly complex and multi-layered problem which will need to be attacked from multiple angles and for a very long time before we can ever possibly consider it to be "ended".

Longer answer; it's not "five points" but ...

You don't fix deep-rooted societal issues overnight. You have to change people's minds, and with stuff that's as deeply entrenched as institutional racism that can mean going through not just one but multiple generations of people, as each new generation is able to progress with less of the hang-ups from their parents.

But practically speaking I see a few clear ways to help end it, and to tell whether or not it has been ended.

• The Justice System - will be fixed when all races are treated equally in the justice system (eg. when blacks get the same sentences for the equivalent crimes as whites). How do we get there? Partly it's a public perception problem, and partly it's the responsibility of municipalities and police departments to setup measures (eg. body cameras) which discourage racism, and of legal workers to study sentences given and try to correct for racial inequities.

• Public Perception - will be fixed when society sees all races equally ... in other words when white's don't think black people experience less pain, when peoples' (even black peoples') heart rate doesn't rise when a black man enters the room, etc. How do we get there? Artists have to make a change. The people behind TV, movies, etc. need to cast blacks (and other minorities) in to normal/generic/white roles, so that society doesn't always see them being portrayed as criminals and cops.

• Economics - will be fixed when you can't predict a person's socio-economic status in any way from their race. This means both doing outreach to open up career paths that are not traditionally "black" (eg. programming) and ensuring that black workers make equal pay (for equal work) as their white co-workers. How do we get there? I think this problem is so massive and woven into society that the government has to play a part, but at the same time I don't think you can have the government (say) give free college to all black kids. Instead, I think we need to change our educational and recruiting efforts to target poor people of any ethnicity and get them in to successful careers they wouldn't otherwise have. Since minorities tend to be poorer, such efforts by definition will help them more, and if you repeat this cycle (again, over a long time) you can eventually get to equality.

• Other stuff which I'd defer to experts on; I'm certainly no expert on solving racial problems.

[maskedmelon]

Just wanna point out that the Jews were slaves too. They went straight from slavery to wandering a desert for 40 years before pulling up their bootstraps and reclaiming their homeland. 600 years later they slew god. They were second class citizens beneath a pagan empire, but outmaneuvered their oppressors to WIN. all it took was a little effort, a fair amount of cunning and a whole lotta DESIRE.

what's your excuse?

#hardworkpays
#nomoreexcuses
#i<3katyperry

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Generally immigrants immigrate because they want to work and improve their lives, and don't intend to end up in jail, whereas those bought up in a culture of ennui snapchat "LOL YOLO"?

that is a more socially acceptable way to say what I said tho [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

however it doesnt point out the real problem. Black culture is not condusive to growth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that is not racism, i am sad about it, and im not saying all blacks are X or Y but I am saying black culture today is bad.

is it cus we jailed all the dads 30 years ago? Maybe.

Is being self riotous cus you say that is the case going to help? no.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#i<3katyperry

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[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Short answer: racism an incredibly complex and multi-layered problem which will need to be attacked from multiple angles and for a very long time before we can ever possibly consider it to be "ended".

Longer answer; it's not "five points" but ...

You don't fix deep-rooted societal issues overnight. You have to change people's minds, and with stuff that's as deeply entrenched as institutional racism that can mean going through not just one but multiple generations of people, as each new generation is able to progress with less of the hang-ups from their parents.

But practically speaking I see a few clear ways to help end it, and to tell whether or not it has been ended.

• The Justice System - will be fixed when all races are treated equally in the justice system (eg. when blacks get the same sentences for the equivalent crimes as whites). How do we get there? Partly it's a public perception problem, and partly it's the responsibility of municipalities and police departments to setup measures (eg. body cameras) which discourage racism, and of legal workers to study sentences given and try to correct for racial inequities.

• Public Perception - will be fixed when society sees all races equally ... in other words when white's don't think black people experience less pain, when peoples' (even black peoples') heart rate doesn't rise when a black man enters the room, etc. How do we get there? Artists have to make a change. The people behind TV, movies, etc. need to cast blacks (and other minorities) in to normal/generic/white roles, so that society doesn't always see them being portrayed as criminals and cops.

• Economics - will be fixed when you can't predict a person's socio-economic status in any way from their race. This means both doing outreach to open up career paths that are not traditionally "black" (eg. programming) and ensuring that black workers make equal pay (for equal work) as their white co-workers. How do we get there? I think this problem is so massive and woven into society that the government has to play a part, but at the same time I don't think you can have the government (say) give free college to all black kids. Instead, I think we need to change our educational and recruiting efforts to target poor people of any ethnicity and get them in to successful careers they wouldn't otherwise have. Since minorities tend to be poorer, such efforts by definition will help them more, and if you repeat this cycle (again, over a long time) you can eventually get to equality.

• Other stuff which I'd defer to experts on; I'm certainly no expert on solving racial problems.

I am an expert so here.

point 1 - Police are "racist" when theyre in ghettos that you would be to afraid to even drive through, so stop pretending that police are racist in the vast majority of places outside of them.

2 - society does see all race equally but when a black person dresses like a gangbanger you're supposed to also see them the same way as the black guy on the other side of the isle who is wearing cargo shorts and a super hero t shirt.

3 - if you are in contact with people who think black people feel less pain than white people, than I suggest you move cus you live in an unfixable part of missisippi and have no hope at a decent life there.

4 - you cannot predict a persons economic state unless you look at how they dress and by the numbers black people who are not poor dress poor and therefore people make assumptions about them. (so their heart rate rises)

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just wanna point out that the Jews were slaves too. They went straight from slavery to wandering a desert for 40 years before pulling up their bootstraps and reclaiming their homeland. 600 years later they slew god. They were second class citizens beneath a pagan empire, but outmaneuvered their oppressors to WIN. all it took was a little effort, a fair amount of cunning and a whole lotta DESIRE.

what's your excuse?

#hardworkpays
#nomoreexcuses
#i<3katyperry

Every people has been a slave at some point.

Some would argue that even in modern societies, the lower echelons of the work force still are. The genius thing is these 'slaves' have been made 'self owned', so now they are responsible for their own health, wellbeing and costs, which saves money for those that benefit from the 'slavelike' labour, and absolves the slaveusers from responsibility for the slaves, making the 'slaves' even more churn and burn / disposable.

Making debt non-inheritable is probably a good idea if you want generations of 'fake' slaves.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just wanna point out that the Jews were slaves too. They went straight from slavery to wandering a desert for 40 years before pulling up their bootstraps and reclaiming their homeland. 600 years later they slew god. They were second class citizens beneath a pagan empire, but outmaneuvered their oppressors to WIN. all it took was a little effort, a fair amount of cunning and a whole lotta DESIRE.

what's your excuse?

#hardworkpays
#nomoreexcuses
#i<3katyperry

The Jews are a very interesting case, because they're different even from other "model minorities" (eg. Japanese and Korean immigrants). What makes the Jews special is, ironically, laws created by Christians. Christians weren't allowed to lend money, and Jews weren't allowed to own land, so these Christian laws all but forced Jews to go into banking, money-lending, and mercantilism. It turns out that being involved with money while everyone around you isn't is kind of good for accumulating money, and when you apply that over hundreds and hundreds of years you get their out-sized influence (which is not to say that a secret cabal of Jews runs the world, just that on average in many countries a Jew will have more money/influence than the average non-Jewish citizen).

Contrast that with people who literally owned nothing less than 200 years ago, had no such laws benefiting them (ironically, although those laws were meant to hurt the Jews, they wound up being helpful) and I think it becomes a lot clearer how one "former slave group" could be vastly more successful than another former slave group (and that's not even accounting for the wealth of other factors that separate Jews from blacks).