awakened gives up 2 vulaks

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Tycoon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you trying to suggest that the rules in DN have changed? Or that somehow FA isn't AM? I don't think I'm deflecting, I think you are. Your guild/alliance/gaysexparty knowingly broke the rules on that Zlandi kill. Yet, a 2 spawn concession without a forfeiture of loot was accepted as the norm instead of a 5 day ban.

Again, fraps was not provided before the kill on Zlandi. It was for this Vulak.

Swing and a miss.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The willing ignorance of AW members is astonishing. This thread already has proof posted that the "offending" guild was provided fraps of their members openly cheating to win prior to ever pulling in the mob immediately after their illegitimate FTE. Awakened under complete knowledge that they had a tracker FTE - with video evidence provided to their leadership prior to pulling - pulled and killed the target anyway. There is no speculation here - Breaken has admitted to receiving the fraps PRIOR to pulling Vulak. You can't claim uncertainty when you're being shown a video of your guild cheating prior to even starting a train up.

It's this simple: Awakened has long sense acted under a rule set of "Do anything it takes to secure Vulak`Aerr. Anything. It does not matter what server rule you have to break. Train Rustle. Stall Vyemm. Gate Cekenar. Train pullers. Refuse to pull any mob up when Vulak spawns. WIN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY." - and this time your shady bullshit got caught on video with no wiggle room to try and smudge the lines for your own benefit.

Again I say - Take the suspension like a man you panzy.

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[Sarl]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vianna is such a tool. Wake up. Jumping the line does not equate to tracker fte. Do you realize how many mobs Aftermath has conceded for killing it and validating later? Conceding two spawns has been the standard recourse for over a year. Take pulling Zlandicar through the wall to the zoneline on purpose. You gave up two spawns and didn't do it again, yet your intent was deinaftely against the rules. Stop acting like you're above it.

The problem here isn't cheating or tracker fte. The problem is Aftermath's guild leader asks for a concede every single week over the most trivial matters that never see the light of day resulting in the people who have to work with him not instantly taking his word for it.

I really hope the Awakened leadership starts conceding every one of Detoxx's requests. We need to se the cry wolf clause triggered to fix this. Leaders should only ask for concessions if it's 100% not just on any whim.

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My slant might be that you cry-spamming that whatever someone is giving is never enough for your guild. I've also seen in person when I was in Rampage of how badly Detoxx can throw a fit and ask for concession on 1/2 the mobs. I just don't really enjoy that kind of play style.

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing was in said in mumble until the race was over and an officer said "let me review the fraps detoxx sent." I mean look a the youtube link you guys are spamming. It is two fraps edited together. Do you really think that type of definitive proof is available immediately after a race? It took well over a day for that video to surface and to act like some nefarious intent to skirt the rules when it simply didn't happen. The fact is if Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week it would be far easier to take his word on it.

Another thing. You guys should consider if the two week concession thing is worth giving up. Aftermath has had to give up far more "next two spawns" than anyone else on this server. If that goes away you could see far worse results. Consider this.

I am sorry dude but you & others are keep repeating "Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week ..." that look like some stupid PR Move to shift the Blame.

He & others call you out on your bullshit multiple times. But you get away most of the time cause it's not "crystal clear" evidence/s from what i understood/saw.

From what i saw the Slogan that ll definite Awakened for raiding will be "Do everything until others can prove we're guilty".

I dont have a lot of experience with this "Raiding scene" but i have a pretty good common sense. At least i think. Let's me give you one example of the "bullshit" that come to my mind.

I think it was 2 weeks ago i witness you guys RE FTEing Vulak after a wipe by, in my opinion, exploiting a FTE Mechanic (Monk that was on Vulak Agro list FD and wait for him to path back for 2 sec & stand up).

That pure bullshit everyone could do that and never have to "fear" to wipe to be honest & could get another 1h lock on this famous mob. You got away with it and there is a post in raid dsicusion about Re FTEing a mob ... Without this example. That blow my mind to be honest.

In the perfect world, if every parties were honest & honorable. Conceding 2 mobs ll be enough ofc. But it's not the case, from what i saw (in my opinion at least). it's more "bend the rules until we get caught"

TLDR : You played dirty(again), ignored the truth, and try to shift the blame with a gross PR Tactic to get away cause this time, unfortunatly for you, there is Crystal Clear evidences.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Sarl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sorry dude but you & others are keep repeating "Detoxx didn't ask for a concession every single week ..." that look like some stupid PR Move to shift the Blame.

He & others call you out on your bullshit multiple times. But you get away most of the time cause it's not "crystal clear" evidence/s from what i understood/saw.

From what i saw the Slogan that ll definite Awakened for raiding will be "Do everything until others can prove we're guilty".

I dont have a lot of experience with this "Raiding scene" but i have a pretty good common sense. At least i think. Let's me give you one example of the "bullshit" that come to my mind.

I think it was 2 weeks ago i witness you guys RE FTEing Vulak after a wipe by, in my opinion, exploiting a FTE Mechanic (Monk that was on Vulak Agro list FD and wait for him to path back for 2 sec & stand up).

That pure bullshit everyone could do that and never have to "fear" to wipe to be honest & could get another 1h lock on this famous mob. You got away with it and there is a post in raid dsicusion about Re FTEing a mob ... Without this example. That blow my mind to be honest.

In the perfect world, if every parties were honest & honorable. Conceding 2 mobs ll be enough ofc. But it's not the case, from what i saw (in my opinion at least). it's more "bend the rules until we get caught"

TLDR : You played dirty(again), ignored the truth, and try to shift the blame with a gross PR Tactic to get away cause this time, unfortunatly for you, there is Crystal Clear evidences.

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[spanky_kc]

The guy(Hjial) stopped turned around @ NtoV door then a few seconds later clicked off his AoN to act like a different person running. Then FTE Vulak, then sent a tell saying he got a good jump b/c of Bind Sight, then............. Let his guild kill it w/o telling them or told them and they didn't care anyways because they know it would take a good fraps to catch them. This bullshit goes on every week and it needs to stop.

[Uuruk]

Everquest raiding 2017


LOL U ALL SOUND DUMB AS HELL

[Phenyo]

This entire thread is /drugs/

[Whirled]

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[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I must say that I'm very unhappy with how my overly large extended family spends their days on my tax dollars. Please get out more & stop fighting over dragons.
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press...5/cb15-97.html
You should cherish what you have because not everyone is blessed with the things you take for granted and enjoy.

Wrong thread. Right idea.

[Whirled]

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Wrong thread. Right idea.

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