the server, loot and the way things are

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said I can understand the perspective of might makes right, but do the folks in power (with the advantages of being on the server earlier) ever even think about sharing that part of the game?

It's not "might makes right." It's "I have more free time which I am willing to devote to EQ." We're not talking about fascism or ends justifying means here - we're talking about something more akin to one athlete spending far more of his time and sacrificing more of his life toward a particular goal than another (allowing talent to be equal), and therefore receiving the award as a result.

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally, I don't think it's valid. My core inner self would like to be an idealist, no matter how foolish the fancy. In my perfect world: Folks wouldn't be so greedy or take things so incredibly seriously that it is their stated mission to keep other players down simply for the sake of remaining the "best" as stated in this thread.

That's how you view the ideal world. And it has errors - first, "Greed" is a worthless word for all intents and purposes. What about those who want the rotation? Aren't they "Greedy" for an encounter as well, they just go about it by trying to force people into a system they designed, as opposed to sacrificing more time to "be there first"?

Second, "taking things seriously" is entirely subjective and people will assign different values to different experiences. No one's valuation is more valid than anyone else's, regardless how steeped in self-morality it is.

Third, those who "compete" are not "keeping others down" as a matter of their intent - Does a gold medalist "keep the silver medalist down?" It has nothing to do with some silly idea of oppression or suppression - it's merely the fact that they have chosen to devote more of their resources to an online game and do so with the expectation that in most cases, they will receive a greater reward than those who don't.

The ideal world, in my opinion, isn't a bunch of carebears sitting around distributing rewards based on "it's your turn," when Carebear #1 is the one putting in all the work to acquire the items to sell at market or equip those close to him. There are lots of things I don't like that are side-effects of a pure meritocracy, but the essential core is still "valid."

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I'm just shocked that people are so invested in their own pursuits in a fantasy world that they will knowingly and willfully block out folks from experiencing the same content at some point... just to say they're number one.

It may not even be to say "they're number one." That's an assumption. Perhaps each time they do an encounter that they've already experienced they wish to be able to master the encounter, and show others how to conquer said encounter more effectively in a guild setting. That's more likely the case - you just don't hear those people in R/F/NSFW because they're busy enjoying the game instead of complaining constantly or causing drama for giggles.

But all of this is based on your subjective valuation (coupled with unsubstantiated assumptions about the source of that valuation, i.e. "i need my self-worth validated by killing inny 85 times") of certain experiences and certain encounters - and it's not binding on others.

The fact of that matter is the type of enjoyment of the game varies, and it's simply more fair to allow those who are willing to sacrifice more to get more out of the game. Again, if the relevant organizations make agreements to "cap" the sacrifice that anyone has to put forth to experience those high-end encounters, so be it.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally, I am maxed level 50 and have no quests to do to further my character. I can't solo for cash, and I have a few friends that I used to be able to PL but now cannot (because I'm an effing ranger and they're too high level for me to heal/DS/whatever). I don't want to make an alt in classic, or even Kunark for that matter, and therefore have no other characters to play.

What do I do when I log in? I like to swing at things that could kill me in one hit (insert ranger joke here) and do my best to play my role as a guild member of Dark Ascension.

Yes, I play the game. Is it the same game you play? Maybe, but it doesn't sound like it. When EQ first came out everyone was in so much awe of the game. I have to give a nod out to the guy that recorded that youtube series about "just starting everquest on P99," the awe-filled dialogue and misadventures of a newbie are what we all love and remember really hit home how great this server has presented itself as something that could totally corner a niche market in the video game world. However, it's been said again and again that the people who know about this server probably played EQ at some point or another - I've run through all these zones and died in all of them. I know what alt I want to make when the time comes, what quests to do, what gear to get... it's not like it was back in the day, but I still enjoy it because I enjoy advancing my character as well as others. The game is a bit different when you already know what happens when the next expansion comes out. I still play it because I love it.

How do you play the game? I hope it's just as enjoyable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im almost in the same position as Aadill here. Everything he said is true. Even though I only have a few sky items (I'm 1 item away from a few of them = P ) I could get to further my character, I still play the game because I love the game and the way that it was designed. For me, Its about being the best, and the fact that I never was able to experience this "raid" part of Everquest because I was 8-9 at the time that classic came out and that I began playing this with my dad. It's fun to come back and be able to "Master the Encounters" as some of you have said, but even though this is an emu, there is enough built up/invested at the higher end guilds to make this feel like being the best means half a shit. I think this comes from having people on your side of the battlefield - and the other side for sure - that feel the same way that I do. Most don't play alts, and just push to be the best at what they are every time they log in.

If the server goes poof because of sony or some other unexplainable reason, at least I had fun while I could, and at least I didn't half ass what might be most of our last shots at reliving this classic experience. Sony isnt going to do it now on live, and neither will Everquest Next.

[mr.miketastic]

Quote: "It's not "might makes right." It's "I have more free time which I am willing to devote to EQ." We're not talking about fascism or ends justifying means here - we're talking about something more akin to one athlete spending far more of his time and sacrificing more of his life toward a particular goal than another (allowing talent to be equal), and therefore receiving the award as a result."


This actually made me laugh a bit. The reality though, is that the efforts of the athlete almost always result in a tangible benefit. One example would be Tiger woods. Tiger has more money than Croesus, and apparently got more ass than a toilet seat (the result of which was not so beneficial). Another would be the health gained from a strict physical regimen. The irony is comparing people sitting for hours in front of a computer screen vying for ones and zeroes, sedentary, to people who do something for wealth, health and pussy.

[Scrooge]

There is much more to EQ than the grind, the gearing, the farming and even the raiding. When you're ready to think outside the box, that's when the game starts to get really interesting.

The idea of gear making you a better player than another, is quite silly.

[Ponden]

I can't believe this is still going on.

[Kastro]

Just use the VZTZ rotation system... Flag all players who are in a Raid zone with a Boss up for PVP. Problem solved. Make all Planes FFA PVP zones....

Works quite well imo... there is none of this "poopsocking" or whatever it is you are complaining about... and yes all the shitty players can form a guild to try on take out the more skilled players...


But if You guys dont want to get red liquid on your shiney armors... you can all form one big organization an live by this nifty motto:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

So do all you cna and work together to drop the bosses... and give the loot to the player that NEEDS it most!

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Scrooge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is much more to EQ than the grind, the gearing, the farming and even the raiding. When you're ready to think outside the box, that's when the game starts to get really interesting.

The idea of gear making you a better player than another, is quite silly.

My thoughts exactly.



Personally I prefer leveling new characters. It's a great way for me to learn about the classes that I had no experience with on live. Rogue and Wizard for example I always avoided because I felt that they were so limited in their utility, but I am really starting to enjoy the little tricks and quirks that I never experienced before.

I basically avoid buying and farming gear completely now which gives me more time to level up characters. This will give me more options for groups as well as soloing once Kunark is released. While the people that were so busy trying to get the very best gear now will just have to start the process all over again in a few months... That doesn't sound like much fun to me.

But hey, everyone has their own opinions. There's something in the game for everyone:
Some people enjoy taking on real challenging content while other people prefer racing others to raid targets.
Some people want lots of alts, some people want lots of platinum.
What ever floats your boat.

[Scrooge]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people enjoy taking on real challenging content while other people prefer racing others to raid targets.

Ditto, right on the money. Those with an open mind, will (almost) always see more than one angle.

[Qenaden]

Originally Posted by Kastro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just use the VZTZ rotation system... Flag all players who are in a Raid zone with a Boss up for PVP. Problem solved. Make all Planes FFA PVP zones....

Works quite well imo... there is none of this "poopsocking" or whatever it is you are complaining about... and yes all the shitty players can form a guild to try on take out the more skilled players...


But if You guys dont want to get red liquid on your shiney armors... you can all form one big organization an live by this nifty motto:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

So do all you cna and work together to drop the bosses... and give the loot to the player that NEEDS it most!

Word. This seems like a great solution.

Also, WTF is poopsocking? Sounds like an unfortunate stocking stuffer.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by mr.miketastic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The irony is comparing people sitting for hours in front of a computer screen vying for ones and zeroes, sedentary, to people who do something for wealth, health...

Since you didn't actually attack the analogy or refute it, you admit it's valid, despite your subjective valuations of "tangible benefit."

The scale and circumstances are different, but the form is the same.