Spells: 100 MR to resist MR nuke. 350 FR to reduce FR nuke.

[Colgate]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=231

so you mean these "foggy old farts" opinions that match exactly the posts people were making 14 years ago isn't good enough? lol??

[Samuell]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's probably because you...feel the need to shit up the bug threads you're claiming to improve with your "findings"

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...&postcount=231

so you mean these "foggy old farts" opinions that match exactly the posts people were making 14 years ago isn't good enough? lol??

Some "findings" from very thread you linked reveal that in cleric pvp "warriors and other meele classes are easy." You simply "either root or blind and run." Perhaps we can derive the resist system from this account.

[Pudge]

in this 3v3 forum battle, which will affect hundreds of players, i still have to side with tecnique. this game will be even worse if at 130 in all resists you just ignore all spells.............. especially in velious, you get that shit without even trying.

resists in pvp changed all the time in classic, with the era. these weren't posted in changelogs either (have you EVER seen a resist change posted in changelogs? no. but they were balanced. ex: when ppl were running 300 in every resist in POP, spells were still landing........... because they resist rates got modified.)

please, if you gonna nerf shit this hard, acknowledge that it changed with the era, and put it in the code that each era needs like +40 resist for the same rate of spell damage.

also, thank's a TON for implementing some nice classic shit like "no exp loss on falling/drowning" etc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nirgon]

Haynar's forumquest is strong. Many have been stung.

@Pudge: many pvp dynamics will change but across the board survivability is going to go way up... even in mass pvp (comparatively ... you can still die fast)

Dispelling / dispel blocking and proper debuff stacking take some coordination but are very effective.

Instead of 4 people mashing nukes, they will mash dispels (other person should mash clickies to block dispelling) -> person getting dispelled realizes they are the focus target without being instantly dead/inches from death... etc.

Druids going around and bursting people like a wizard killing a naked target needed to go. They have extremely strong debuffs, cheetah etc. The dynamics will change so adjust. 9MR necklace or 7mr bracers lost... big deal. People have lost thousands of plat in coin deaths here and didn't /wrist over it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Easy to replace resist gear should be risked, though. It gets people camping resist gear when it needs to be replaced and there will be constant pvp around those camps like the golem wands/CT pots before them. This is a good thing.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dispelling / dispel blocking and proper debuff stacking take some coordination but are very effective.

Instead of 4 people mashing nukes, they will mash dispels (other person should mash clickies to block dispelling) -> person getting dispelled realizes they are the focus target without being instantly dead/inches from death... etc.
.

Thats the next thing we need... dispel fixes.

On live buffs were on counters like poisons/diseases, and dispels hit random buffs. Buff order hardly mattered since it was random, but at the same time a charge of pumice would often remove 0 buffs unless it hit a clicky (probably 1 counter) or a buff that had already been partially dispelled.

[Nirgon]

Ya there's other stuff like cancel magic sticks being a 1 shot instant cast remove anything which rears its ugly head in the dispel area.

I'm just happy with what we got for now rather than bugging the high priest any further. Plus I think he even said he added it to his list of things and has the dispel guide I linked in that other thread.

[Haynar]

Find me something on dispells where it failed in classic. Info I find about dispell failing was luclin and later, but no failure rates.

If its to fail, i need to know how much.

H

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Find me something on dispells where it failed in classic. Info I find about dispell failing was luclin and later, but no failure rates.

If its to fail, i need to know how much.

H

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=82763

You mean fail by sometimes it gets 2 buffs, sometimes more or none? That's based on the strength of the debuff/buff it is trying to remove.

This was the key guide/find for info I got:

http://crucible.samanna.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6003

Dispels always land, even if they don't seem to work. Each buff gets a check versus the strength of the dispel. If the buff fails the check, it gets stripped. If that buff passes the check, the dispel moves on to the next buff, and so on. In the case of every buff passing the check, no buffs will be stripped.

Also: If you are going for the gusto... Inny/Phini should have random buff removals instead of top down. Still trying to find those screen shots of those fights proving a random order... I have posted them here before.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=82763

You mean fail by sometimes it gets 2 buffs, sometimes more or none? That's based on the strength of the debuff/buff it is trying to remove.

This was the key guide/find for info I got:

http://crucible.samanna.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6003






Also: If you are going for the gusto... Inny/Phini should have random buff removals instead of top down. Still trying to find those screen shots of those fights proving a random order... I have posted them here before.

Pretty sure all dispels were random. Dispels were 1-4 casts of cancel magic with 1-9 random counters per depending on the level of the spell.

So basically a spell like strip enchantment (4x cancel magic @ 1 counter each) hit 4 different buffs with 1 counters. If all 4 charges hit different spells, it would most likely only take off a clicky or a low level buff. That was the benefit of using Pillage or Recant, they'd have a much higher chance of removing higher level buffs.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=24&source=Test
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=25&source=Test


At this point, even if we didn't have the randomness factor, not being able to 1 shot pumice (nullify magic (2x4)) a Symbol of Marzin etc would be a huge upgrade to the current system.

The problem with this system is we dont know how many counters each buff should actually have. It could be assumed that level 60 spells would require < 9 counters as the highest enchanter dispel should remove 4 buffs every time (Recant). If you made buffs scale with level from 1 counter @ level 1-4 up to 8 counters @ lvl 56-60, I'd think that would be pretty close to the way its supposed to be.

[Nirgon]

You can if they aren't buffed or wearing resist gear... and aren't very high level [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]