OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Magicant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im serious, the real way to make this fun is to limit the # of people that can engage a mob. 50 people on Trak is boring.

What about "tier 1 guilds" get 25 people.. tier 2 get 27 Tier 3 get 30.

Just tossing it out there. The real issue with the raid scene is zeroing shit till it dies. Lets go to a more fun, skill based system of raiding.

Impossible for established guilds. Strictures would cause implosions and create more guilds vying for the same content. Keep in mind that demand for content is generally based around the number of guilds killing a mob not the number of players in each guild.

[Magicant]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Impossible for established guilds. Strictures would cause implosions and create more guilds vying for the same content. Keep in mind that demand for content is generally based around the number of guilds killing a mob not the number of players in each guild.

Thats the issue brother.

maintaining a guild of 100 raiders is not fun, not productive. I would really enjoy 3 more raiding guilds with 25 Solid players who are trying to achieve perfection and the best raid strats etc. When you get people really trying hard to maximum kills with low numbers you will bring the community together rather than just try to LOLZERG.

I know that there would be no stall tanking, FTE sniping, etc cause you cannot engage unless u are 100% ready.


To be honest, Id rather just rotate everything so I can have fun trying to be the "best" gamer i can be rather than throwing warm bodies at encounters. 95% of all raiders on this server are unhappy. I would guess we can make a lot more people have a lot more fun by limiting the zerg and pushing for a skill based system.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by Magicant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im serious, the real way to make this fun is to limit the # of people that can engage a mob. 50 people on Trak is boring.

What about "tier 1 guilds" get 25 people.. tier 2 get 27 Tier 3 get 30.

Just tossing it out there. The real issue with the raid scene is zerging shit till it dies. Lets go to a more fun, skill based system of raiding.

Lol

[JayN]

tbh there is no way to enforce anything with out gm intervention; they needs to stop taking a hands off approach. this has been aa good way to divert attention away from VELIOUS's delay; which would fix pretty much everything!

We need gms very hands on in this process as well as some staff always around during off hours for any of this to be serious.

for the sake of the fairness they desire

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tbh there is no way to enforce anything with out gm intervention; they needs to stop taking a hands off approach. this has been aa good way to divert attention away from VELIOUS's delay; which would fix pretty much everything!

We need gms very hands on in this process as well as some staff always around during off hours for any of this to be serious.

for the sake of the fairness they desire

Staff seem to be willing to enforce whatever the majority of the server want implemented, however they don't seem to be willing to adjust server mechanics atm.

I'm sure if a guild council is established and then the guild council deems a guild as breaking the rules in a majority that the staff would look into it as well and then hand down punishment that the players have agreed upon and accepted.

Every guild would have to be subject to penalties that they choose for themselves, I see no reason why the staff wouldn't hold them to their own agreed choices.

[Seltius]

I am not sure why there is so much of a fight. Also why are the casual or less "hardcore" raiding guilds expecting to be given the same amount of targets and expect an even split with the "hardcore" guilds willing to put in the extra effort? You say well we don't have the alts or the desire to track and compete but we want the targets all the same. You keep talking about how the server has been around so long. How many of the people in this thread arguing only have 1 level 52+ character?(excluding the trolls who may not even play anymore and are just here to get their rocks off)

This whole thread has gone from an attempt to offer a solution to a bunch of entitled bullshit.

People posting here instead of seeing it as a chance to compete more for targets without being steamrolled feel that because guild A or guild B have gotten targets that they now should go to playing casual so everyone else can leisurely kill mobs. If you don't like this idea come up with a better one. But leveling the playing field to where a guild that doesn't put forth the effort still is even with a guild that does or is willing to doesn't work and wont work. It wont happen unless the GMs dictate that is how it will be and I don't think that is really what they vision for this server.

Everyone's perception of classic is corrupted by a timeframe that is most definitely not classic. I am not sure the exact timeframe without spending more time than I really care to but by this point in live they should have been into PoP or beyond. I didn't start playing on live until a few months before Velious even then you didn't have 3+guilds keyed and wanting to raid VP at least not on the server I played on.


Also is there a way to lock these threads or set up a forum where only the elected representatives of the guilds can post. It would be cool to have them public so people could see what was being brainstormed so they could tell their leader or officers what their opinions were. As long as there is free reign things will never work out because you have too many people burying the message in these threads with opinions, hate, and general trolling.


Edit-Case in point there were 35posts in the 12mins it took me to post this. How many of them actually represented the guilds the posters are from. I saw Motec and stopped reading after his because it was the same people anon or not posting quoting different people. Oh and I didn't count yours Derubael because I don't think we could keep you out of any thread you want into!

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Let Lron declare Jihad. And have them run this agreement by a 'council' of p99 players who aren't really invested in the raid scene. Get some impartiality here, and some transparency.

And some answers.

That being said, this is an interesting social experiment going on.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That being said, this is an interesting social experiment going on.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha... sometimes I wonder if nilbog or Rogean is going for a doctorate in Sociology and we're all part of the thesis paper.

[Hitpoint]

This all happened because guilds were monopolizing content. They agree to straight up give away mobs, like all the time. And people are outraged at such an insult and want so much more. Can't even believe what I'm reading tonight.

I thought it was going too far to back off completely on those priority mobs for a week. No waiting period, no exceptions. Not to mention draco and Talendor are still huge targets for us. We still have to compete with TMO for anything that we kill while nobody else does. I'm going to have to look into this points system or whatever you guys are talking about. I don't know how it can be worse for us then this proposal.

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This all happened because guilds were monopolizing content. They agree to straight up give away mobs, like all the time. And people are outraged at such an insult and want so much more. Can't even believe what I'm reading tonight.

I thought it was going too far to back off completely on those priority mobs for a week. No waiting period, no exceptions. Not to mention draco and Talendor are still huge targets for us. We still have to compete with TMO for anything that we kill while nobody else does.

Stop, this isn't worth fighting for. There's not enough good material in this pile to even bother saving.

"Giving up a weeks worth of mobs was tough on us." Really? Just stop. Bump a proposal that doesn't favor the top end.. Again.