Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

It went about like I thought it would. Listen guys the discussion isn't just VP and it isn't short term. Some of you guys can call people evil because of a guild tag and assume all day the server would be worse if you couldn't monopolize certain zones by training other people. It is rather self-serving to say "We are protecting the server by keeping other people away from content with trains". It is also self-serving to try to make it out as some type of competition that people should have to suffer through because mechanics in the raid system at the time weren't really ideal for the number of high end players on the server.

The argument for some is "It was like this on live". That is bull crap and the ones saying it know it is even before they type it. No one was killing all of VP in Kunark on live regularly. There definitely wasn't the amount of players keyed for VP on live in Kunark that are here. So no there was never 2 competing guilds in VP in Kunark where training each other was allowed. But again that is just looking at VP.

Their next defense for training is even more mind boggling. "Well if training isn't allowed in sleepers they will wake it". As opposed to what ? The same thing that is happening in VP now happening there ? You guys acting like overseers with trains so that the rest of the server can look at items that drop that your chars have....and you can then turn and say "See our guildies wouldn't have this loot if we didn't protect the server from vile other guilds, but rest assured if they weren't here you could get this loot too!!!".

EQ was always the world you made it...Within reason. Play nice policies were in place to combat griefing and training. While this is not live and there are different rules on this server and policies... That is one aspect that should be looked at and changed. Tracking mobs, Mobilizing for mobs, Racing to be the first to engage to have the chance to kill the mob.... That sounds like a good basis for competition without all the griefing and training. There really is no viable reason those should be allowed in the game at all if you want true competition. "But it's soo fun to kill people with Trains so we can get the loot yo" isn't really a viable reason either.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It went about like I thought it would. Listen guys the discussion isn't just VP and it isn't short term. Some of you guys can call people evil because of a guild tag and assume all day the server would be worse if you couldn't monopolize certain zones by training other people.

I stopped here with your first mistake. You are more than invited to come into VP and beat us.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine if expansions were released on at the proper time line... aka velious was released / kunark hadn't been out for 3 years... If you remember when kunark released we had a peak of over 1500 people iirc. Now imagine if in 9 months of that Velious released....

I bet p99 would surpass that population of a live server... given that there is only 1 server to play on instead of numerous servers to chose from if you were sad you couldn't get into the top guild and wanted to try your luck on another one / transfer servers etc.

I agree completely. All the more reason to be civil unyil velious. Stagnation and bad blood is a cornerstone to the dilemma

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stopped here with your first mistake. You are more than invited to come into VP and beat us.

No Alarti because the policies in place in VP on this server aren't viable to actual competition. It is basically who can train the most and last the longest before getting tired of training and logging out. That is not competition in any form. Despite what you may believe that is griefing until someone says "Ok I am tired of this" and leaves.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree completely. All the more reason to be civil unyil velious. Stagnation and bad blood is a cornerstone to the dilemma

And being civil in Velious helps too. There is no reason for all this hate between people. Have a competition without the hard feelings.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No Alarti because the policies in place in VP on this server aren't viable to actual competition. It is basically who can train the most and last the longest before getting tired of training and logging out. That is not competition in any form. Despite what you may believe that is griefing until someone says "Ok I am tired of this" and leaves.

You could try being sneaky, you could counter train, you can find cool spots for your raids... you can camp out a raid for 6-7 hours then log in and be quick... you can spawn wurms at strategic locations to impeded training.
Lots of options....

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could try being sneaky, you could counter train, you can find cool spots for your raids... you can camp out a raid for 6-7 hours then log in and be quick... you can spawn wurms at strategic locations to impeded training.
Lots of options....

Not classic.
Training was against the rules on live.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could try being sneaky, you could counter train, you can find cool spots for your raids... you can camp out a raid for 6-7 hours then log in and be quick... you can spawn wurms at strategic locations to impeded training.
Lots of options....

Same thing "YOU can kill people to kill stuff!!". Sounds like you enjoy PVP "Derp" as you like to say. You have yet to show a single viable reason that training should be allowed anywhere for the sake of competition.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not classic.
Training was against the rules on live.

Please prove that you could not train in VP in live for the 100th time. If not, stfu k thanks!

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please prove that you could not train in VP in live for the 100th time. If not, stfu k thanks!

Povar. I was there. Can't do it. But that don't matter.