not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[kotton05]

Skope i'm failing to see your point in your comments, while it seems you want to raid some dragons. It seems youre more upset with how things are (cheating accusations need not be in server chat imo) rather than finding solutions that can fix things on this issue.

What do you suggest?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Skope i'm failing to see your point in your comments, while it seems you want to raid some dragons. It seems youre more upset with how things are (cheating accusations need not be in server chat imo) rather than finding solutions that can fix things on this issue.

It's not a cheating accusation, it's just me pointing out that people come back after being "banned" for cheating. A point that you and anyone who's been here longer than several months can personally attest to.

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you suggest?

Nothing. Why bother? Things have already been suggested numerous times and nothing's happened but the exact opposite of what was told would happen.

I'm not offering an alternative set of raid rules when it's clear that they're not listening. No, instead I'm admitting defeat.

[quido]

I think referencing a couple of incidents at a time when there was no cheating detection here as a means of discrediting my promising proposal is absurd.

If you really don't think it would give the smaller/casualer guilds a better shot at stuff, you're clueless.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think referencing a couple of incidents at a time when there was no cheating detection here as a means of discrediting my promising proposal is absurd.

I think I wasn't clear when I typed that out. I agree that it is a bit absurd, but then the same exact claim was made before, Jeremy, and we both know how that turned out.

Fool me once...

[quido]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but then the same exact claim was made before

I still don't follow what you're talking about.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think referencing a couple of incidents at a time when there was no cheating detection here as a means of discrediting my promising proposal is absurd.

accusing people of cheating is an easy fall back excuse. FE got a sev once that divinity had chars camped ready for and because we had a tracker there, pulled it immediately and logged characters parked there + evac'd from vs (since this was when poopsocking was happening) I was accused of cheating by someone I considered a friend. Yes some people have been caught cheating on this server and a lot of them have been in the top guilds, but IMO that is the minority of the mob kills that happens.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think referencing a couple of incidents at a time when there was no cheating detection here as a means of discrediting my promising proposal is absurd.

If you really don't think it would give the smaller/casualer guilds a better shot at stuff, you're clueless.

With the ability to create unlimited accounts, in addition to no perma ban, is there really a deterrent not to use the cheat software on a junk account?

This a real question. I've never used the programs.

[quido]

Depends on the 'skope' of the punishment. Bahahaha

I agree though - it shouldn't be such a given that you will get your stuff back. I think this hurts the population more than it helps.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the ability to create unlimited accounts, in addition to no perma ban, is there really a deterrent not to use the cheat software on a junk account?

This a real question. I've never used the programs.

on a junk account i'd guess no other than the time invested in even getting the character up to the point to track. i think there should be more stringent bans for hacks but it's hard to do that fairly and consistently i guess from the GM perspective. i also think when people get suspended for training etc it shouldn't be that single char it should be all their chars, but again don't know they have the ability to do that. you'd have to block that IP to prevent people from just using someone else's character anyways.

[kotton05]

MQ/SEQ seems to be the baseball equivalent of steroids...

Lyra has a good point the endless accounts created is a loophole that live didn't have to deal with.