the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More or less, yeah. I have no particular personal issue with a parent terminating an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason. Talking about things like satanism will fall on deaf ears so save the effort, but I'm open to logical discussions if you want to take that route. I don't feel particularly strongly about it, unlike apparently most people, so you can actually engage me in that discussion without it turning into a flame-war if you wish.

Danth

I dont think anyone who supports abortion, thinks that they want to encourage people to get abortions. I think most people just think that there are a lot of people that might need an abortion for some reason (and sure for rape/health that's ok for me but that's not my point).

But what I have learned is that people dont follow examples, they take the easiest solution every time. We're like rats in a maze, not above that, just in it, and we will take the path of least resistance every time.

And so there are a lot of things that we should just prevent ourselves form doing. Taking our pricks out like a monkey in front of people at a zoo and wack'n it, for example. Sure we mostly all agree that's wrong, and so we completely shut that behavior down, and it doesnt happen all that often.

But the second you dont tell people not to do that, and you just let them, I promise you downtown will have someone wacking it every single direction you look. Just look at San Francisco.

The point that I am making is that sure, it seems like it'd be great to go all natural and let people be who they want to be, and do what they want to do. But we;re just animals, and if you want to live in a society, you have to have rules. And I think that this rule, encourages bad behavior more than it causes problems. Because the more problems you try to solve with it, the more extremely bad you become.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Dunno why you think I'm "mad" for asking a couple of good-faith questions. I appreciate the ideal of your brand of communism, but dreams aside I see no good way to make it work in actual practice, is why I ask. I assume you've given the matter some considerable thought so you must have some ideas to that effect.

Danth

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dunno why you think I'm "mad" for asking a couple of good-faith questions. I appreciate the ideal of your brand of communism, but dreams aside I see no good way to make it work in actual practice, is why I ask. I assume you've given the matter some considerable thought so you must have some ideas to that effect.

Danth

pretty sure he was talking to me.

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

guess you missed the communist part of anarcho-communist. big emphasis on the commune aspect.

you're criticizing potentials, things that don't exist that i'd like to see exist, things that have never existed before. trying something new that hasn't been tried at scale. i'm criticizing existing structures. that's not a real rebuttal. your positions are still at odds with one another. you're still a hypocrite. you're still supporting one set of dead babies and opposing another. i'm opposing them all.

you lack the ability to dream and you're mad at me about it.

Your right, it is potential. Your revolution is not born out of empathy for dead babies. You have so much hate for human hierarchies, things that people naturally do. Its perfectly logical for me be extremely skeptical of people who can only view the world through opression and victimhood.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty sure he was talking to me.

this is correct, i was not saying Danth was mad, Danth is nice.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is correct, i was not saying Danth was mad, Danth is nice.

Gotcha. Thanks. I had to edit my own post with your name in quotes just because there was another reply in the middle of it.

[Jibartik]

Ever wonder if the system of goverment that comes from a country that brutalizes people to conquer them with a military that has virtually no structure so it ends up mass killing civilians on a historically, and currently unprecedented scale like maybe the guys from that part of the world that came up with communism were maybe just a little bit off their friggen rockers?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ever wonder if the system of goverment that comes from a country that brutalizes people to conquer them with a military that has virtually no structure so it ends up mass killing civilians on a historically, and currently unprecedented scale like maybe the guys from that part of the world that came up with communism were maybe just a little bit off their friggen rockers?

Communism is from Germany. Most of this crap is.

We need a solution.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you are screaming from the trailer two rows down from here. Take your pills, lunatic. If you wake up that animu-tranny again so help me God I will fill your belly with rock salt from hell itself then do the same to "it". I am sick of that thing crawling through my garbage cans at night, You hear me!? looking through my trailer windows with a joker grin.. Jesus Christ that face! You just go on and be the straw that brakes the mules back, Horza, go on do it!

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Living in a shitty flyover state must be really fucking rough if all you yokels are this wound up.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your right, it is potential. Your revolution is not born out of empathy for dead babies. You have so much hate for human hierarchies, things that people naturally do. Its perfectly logical for me be extremely skeptical of people who can only view the world through opression and victimhood.

turn this statement upside down.

you're protecting those hierarchies because you believe that hierarchies are natural. yes, hierarchies probably existed before even language did, i understand power. you're saying oppression and victimhood are necessary for human survival, in essence. that i reject.

i believe that what you're referring to here as it were 'human nature' are actually simply... values, or power relationships or something. and those values are derived from concepts like abundance and scarcity. i believe we should be working to eliminate scarcity. we are not doing that. scarcity creates hierarchies. can you name a society that has not experienced scarcity at some point? i can't.

have a dream. utopia isn't an attainable goal, it's an aspirational goal. obviously no resource is infinite, but we sure treat the earth that way under the hierarchy you're defending here.

i realize that part of the capitalist hegemony's use of power is to stomp out the ability to dream of something better than capitalism, that's precisely what they want you to fail to do. which is also precisely why i think we should do it. additionally, it's why they've conditioned americans especially to knee-jerk react negatively to socialism, despite incorporating some aspects of it into american capitalism. i say if we can't overthrow capitalism, then at least incorporate more aspects of socialism into it. at least that will keep the ship floating for a little while longer. i mean, it's still sinking, but... doing nothing certainly isn't acceptable.

unfortunately, doing nothing is precisely what conservatives want us all to do.