Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Holy fucking christ dude. This guy is unbelievable.

[Ripqozko]

lol @ pocket cleric, my man moved goal posts so far. At least everyone can see how DSM is now with this thread.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol @ pocket cleric, my man moved goal posts so far. At least everyone can see how DSM is now with this thread.

More nonsense. I am not sure where I moved the goal posts as you claim.

My position has always been the DPS of the fourth member is irrelevant.

OP never specified you can't bring a pocket cleric either.

Everything else is just strawmen created by posters who haven't brought evidence to back up their claims, troll, or do not read. This includes yourself. It's easy to go back and see my posts.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you need CoTH, Shaman is objectively better. A Torpor Shaman is a really good way to reduce how much mana your Enchanters and Cleric are using. They Malo and Slow (so the Enchanters don't have to), Heal (so the Cleric doesn't always have to) and self-regenerate their own mana. Plus the buffs and heals help keep the party going. If you need a pet for tanking charm breaks, Shaman pet can tank just fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuVBewCNgY . They can DPS fine too if you are doing well with Epic DoT, Pox, Bane, JBB, etc.

But I agree if you do need CoTH, dropping the Shaman would probably be the right move, since Mage can take over the Malo duty.

This is what I said on the first page. It isn't like I have never said other classes can't contribute if the group wants them to.

None of this has changed. The data shows an Epic Mage can DPS better than I initially thought (thank you to the contributors of said data), but at the end of the day the DPS breakpoints make this irrelevant, since you are only saving a few seconds per kill.

It is completely fine if you want to take a Mage over a Shaman because the group is planning on farming a lot of Chardok Royals. But you aren't taking the Mage for the DPS at that point, you are doing it for the camp options via CoTH. It is the same reason you would pick Shaman over Mage if you wanted to do camps like WW Dragons and Ixiblat Fer.

If you want to do all the camps, Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Mage gives you everything, and if you want a cleric it's easy to level one up to 49 when needed and keep it as a pocket cleric. You have four people who can level it while your group isn't together.

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[PlsNoBan]

Wonder if DSM would agree you could just make a pocket shaman for ixiblat and ww dragons and keep the useless shaman out of the group that doesn't need it for anything else? Guessing no lol

The goal posts are in a different zip code

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wonder if DSM would agree you could just make a pocket shaman for ixiblat and ww dragons and keep the useless shaman out of the group that doesn't need it for anything else? Guessing no lol

The goal posts are in a different zip code

You are seriously suggesting a level 60 Torpor Shaman is just as easy to get as a level 49 cleric?

You only need to level the cleric to 39 for CH if you want the Necro to res instead with a Necro/Shaman/Enchanter/Mage combo.

A pocket CoTH bot only needs to be level 55, so that is also easier to make than a Torpor Shaman. Its better to primarily level the class that will help you the most as a level 60. Mage and Cleric don't need to be 60 for you to get what you need from them.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are seriously suggesting a level 60 Torpor Shaman is just as easy to get as a level 49 cleric?

You only need to level the cleric to 39 for CH if you want the Necro to res instead with a Necro/Shaman/Enchanter/Mage combo.

A pocket CoTH bot only needs to be level 55, so that is also easier to make than a Torpor Shaman. Its better to primarily level the class that will help you the most as a level 60. Mage and Cleric don't need to be 60 for you to get what you need from them.

Oh yea what was I thinking that's an absurd idea [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its better to primarily level the class that will help you the most as a level 60

I agree. Which is why I would suggest leveling something other than shaman which only "helps the most" for a couple niche things.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yea what was I thinking that's an absurd idea [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can agree there, it is an absurd idea. It's much easier to level a Cleric to 49 or a Mage to 55 if your group wants their functionality. Leveling all the way to 60 takes the longest, and the Shaman will benefit far more from being 60.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can agree there, it is an absurd idea. It's much easier to level a Cleric to 49 or a Mage to 55 if your group wants their functionality. Leveling all the way to 60 takes the longest, and the Shaman will benefit far more from being 60.

Yea leveling a 49 pocket cleric and logging it in and out every few minutes makes way more sense than just putting a cleric in the group and skipping the redundant shaman. You're making so much sense right now it's uncanny.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea leveling a 49 pocket cleric and logging it in and out every few minutes makes way more sense than just putting a cleric in the group and skipping the redundant shaman. You're making so much sense right now it's uncanny.

You can heal with the Necro/Shaman inbetween pulls. You use the Cleric when waiting for respawns. If your group is as pro as you keep claiming, this isn't a big deal.