Rules clarification

[arsenalpow]

[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] ---------------------------
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [56 Beguiler] Drinkdem (Gnome) <Acyrid>

[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Bhak <Enraptured>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Marihuana <Enraptured>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Warlock] Darkdeath (Dark Elf) <Enraptured>

[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Grave Lord] Xadion (Human) <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Cilienya <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Warlock] Slippery (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order> LFG
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Oracle] Blazinelz (Barbarian) <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Halfelf <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 High Priest] Nizzler (Dwarf) <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Tombola <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Phireburn <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Internode <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Pennand <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] AFK [60 Phantasmist] Eleet (Gnome) <The Mystical Order>

[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Assassin] Vertiigo (Half Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Cate <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [55 Master] Buddhist (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Zucantiz <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Supaskillz <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [58 Master] Jizzebel (Human) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Virtuoso] Culprit (Human) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] AFK [59 Revenant] Brutillus (Ogre) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Yendor <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Sussy <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [56 Beguiler] Grimar (Gnome) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Merrius <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Assassin] Tarathiel (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Uprite <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Areyleun <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [56 Troubadour] Capi (Half Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Quaark <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 High Priest] Verenity (High Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Visigoths <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] AFK [ANONYMOUS] Folopak <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Hierophant] Zydarnis (Halfling) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] AFK [58 Defiler] Berty (Skeleton) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [56 Outrider] Celedor (Half Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Cecily <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Jarnauga <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Guildin <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] [60 Grandmaster] Parliement (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Jul 03 19:08:54 2012] There are 42 players in Old Sebilis.

[arsenalpow]

1 Acyrid
14 TMO/Enraptured
27 BDA

Obviously the ">" and "<" breaks shit. This is just to prove that BDA always had an adequate force to kill trak.

[isoka]

There is nothing to prove. BDA decided to leave Trakanon to TMO, end of story.

[Smyd]

omg, just had a panic attack.
Ran outside to check if the sky was falling and then it wasn't... what a relief.

[achtung]

Someone just posted a bunch of logs from like 5 hrs before Trak was killed~

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

15 man call is a response to poopsocking. One doesn't use the 15man unless there is a poopsock goin down.

Derp. Welcome to P99 raiding, it's been this way for year+.

Doesn't answer my question.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't answer my question.

I'm sorry. You seems to lack the ability to connect dots.

15man rule can be used for free hand outs.

Did TMO use the 15man rule before or after BDA socked?

After? oh well, I guess they did as a response.

Before? oh well, I guess they wanted the free kill.

Would TMO have used the 15man rule if BDA wasn't socking 40 outside aggro range? Nope.

Would TMO have used the 15man rule if BDA was socking 40 outside aggro range? Yep.

Why would TMO do such a thing b/c of socking? Well, you see, history on p99 tells us that once you have 2 large raid forces inching closer to a spawn point, it becomes apparent that GMs will get involved (due to FTE). This is where TMO will have trouble. The casuals will bitch, moan, whine and complain about any and everything (as made apparent by this thread alone). So GMs will use their feelings and tell big bad TMO that they should have just let BDA have it (because BDA is so wittle). I talked to Ambrotos in IRC and he mentioned where you guys were and that you had a few within aggro range and his talk/demeanor showed that if it came to FTE battle and GMs getting involved, BDA would have probably got TMO in trouble again.

BDA keeps bitching they might actually get the GMs to force TMO to give them free targets like they want. Anything to shut the whiny baby up I guess. However, TMO can keep playing strictly by the rules and as long as they don't break any, nothing can be said.

Wasn't it BDA telling TMO to play by the rules last week? Now you're pissed they are playing by the rules and not by your moral standard (of giving you free targets).

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would TMO have used the 15man rule if BDA was socking 40 outside aggro range? Yep.

As much as I hate agreeing with IB they are correct, at least on Live servers. ie: EQMac.

If Trak can see you he will agro you. Jumpy should be in agro range. I got agro from Trak along the cliff near the pool on EQMac which is further back from Jumpy.

I don't think I have ever seen Trak on this server but I know that his agro range is huge.

Asher

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As much as I hate agreeing with IB they are correct, at least on Live servers. ie: EQMac.

If Trak can see you he will agro you. Jumpy should be in agro range. I got agro from Trak along the cliff near the pool on EQMac which is further back from Jumpy.

I don't think I have ever seen Trak on this server but I know that his agro range is huge.

Asher

doesn't matter what it should be, only what it is. If the aggro range was larger BDA would have socked outside of that range (they already admitted they socked at tola to be outside aggro range) and TMO would still have put 15 on the spawn.

Want it larger? Go blow up a bug report imo, won't change the outcome where the parties follow those guidelines. It only hurts BDA later which also helps TMO, but I guess you guys are only barking at how the aggro range should be larger to try and force some action.

P.S. Don't jump on a Gwence train, he's the biggest idiot there is (far worse than harrison, he just posts less often)

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

doesn't matter what it should be, only what it is. If the aggro range was larger BDA would have socked outside of that range (they already admitted they socked at tola to be outside aggro range) and TMO would still have put 15 on the spawn.

Want it larger? Go blow up a bug report imo, won't change the outcome where the parties follow those guidelines. It only hurts BDA later which also helps TMO, but I guess you guys are only barking at how the aggro range should be larger to try and force some action.

P.S. Don't jump on a Gwence train, he's the biggest idiot there is (far worse than harrison, he just posts less often)

I am not jumping on any train. He is correct. I understand your viewpoint and you are free to rules lawyer the hell out of it.

I will go bug it now, but since I cannot fraps it from EQMac they will probably not believe me.

Asher