Red99 Stimulus Plan (some constructive feedback)

[PhantomRogue]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry for derailing your thread Searyx, but I had some spare time today and I wanted to respond to 'exploits'. I believe people claiming lots of exploits are happening, when in fact they aren't, is detrimental to pvp population and should be considered part of the stimulus package.


Yep. We take exploits seriously when they are real. So, once again, if the biggest problem so far is the fastest nerfed halfling, I say enjoy what is working great, and not harp on the small stuff. But if that is all there is, continue on, it will possibly make more players quit who can't think objectively.
Ya, just stubborn and arrogant. Despite the fact recharging is classic, there's a poll up about thoughts on recharging. Go vote if you haven't. I'd hazard to guess if we didn't have recharging to remove, there would be similar arguments about, "this is classic, we should be able to recharge items." That's not a fucking exploit, imo. It's a game feature that you and most people do not agree with, and it is being addressed.

There's a pathing problem in everquest? /sarcasm off. If you know of a specific bug, report it. If it's an exploit, report it through petition/exploit. EQEMU's .path file system is free to use and develop. If this is a problem, everyone in the community can work on .path files.... Please do.

It was bad. It was a real 'exploit'. That's why it was removed within hours. I'm saying that stupid halfling isn't the cause of population loss. People exaggerating it might be, though. If this is the only exploit.. if I removed (estimated range here, if a query was done to remove 2pp -100pp from a few people, this would never be mentioned again, and another issue would rise to power as the supreme exploit)
That happens regardless. In every mmorpg, there are people who play consistently more than others. Online all day, every day will get you far in EQ. If Nagafen was exploited in some way, I hope it is reported. We are doing our own tests as well.

Yes, it is Arrogant and Stubborn. Because the majority of the population wanted it GONE. Wanted it out of "classic." If you wanted Classic, why didn't you keep the crazy bugs in? Oh, my bad, it's "Roegan Classic."

You make yourself look dumber when you say, well we didnt fix Issue 1, because "its in Classic", but you fixed Issue 2 because "it was broke in classic." Seriously, either you want it Classic or you want it "Roegan Classic." Make up your minds.

It makes the Dev team look out of sorts and not knowing what the other Dev actually wants. Three people making their own changes and never having a clear view on what should be done.

Who is saying that its solely the halfling quest that caused people to leave? You are focusing on one issue when its the summation of all the exploits that is the cause of the problem. redacted (An exploit is ANY gaming of the system that the Dev's didn't see coming, regardless how small the benefit is, its still exploiting)

I pointed out many issues the server had, all added up to have a very real effect the population evolution. We had 500-600 in first week and now hovering at 300 prime, coincidentally Red is usually around 60-70% of Blue's population.

How about we just look at some other threads, People begging for XP Bonus, People making threads asking if its possible to start a new character, people talking about resists, the RAMPANT trading of Blue to Red and Red to Blue (OBVIOUSLY NOT CLASSIC), and stop arguing about the exploits that already occured that obviously isnt going to be looked at. And lets figure out how to keep what people we have here, staying here.

[Wamorn]

I am pretty new here but i think the exp rate increase would.bring more people. I know 3 people off the top of my head that would play if the exp was faster. When i told them about the server their reply was "Sounds really cool, i dont have time to level at classic though.".

As for me, i have next week off and hope to get some time in, after that if i cant get to a level where i.can find groups regularely i might hang it up. i dont have the time to invest needed to hit level 50 just duoing with my wife. I hit level 7 and she is 5 and still havent found.a group near oggok/guk.

I live for pvp, i enjoy eq pvp but not enough to spend 6 months or so of casual playing to get to the fun point.

[Humerox]

Me internet has been out for over a week so I haven't logged in to check yet, but I'm assuming from the notes that guards are assisting against initial PC aggression, yes?

IMHO this was probably the biggest hit the server took in terms of new players, and casuals sticking around. Now that the damage is done, there needs to be more to bring them back.

Experience boost is a good hook, and leaving it sub-20 isn't a bad idea at all. We need to focus on helping the server grow, and those that leveled the harder way can say "Yah, I did it without the help, newbs".

I argued for teams from the start. Taking the best ideas from each original server and leaving out the worst (training for example) would rock. Teams build in many good things for new players that are essentially blue, and you can't have good PvP unless you have good PvE. The gear has to be obtained, the levels have to be made, yada yada.

Before my mini-hiatus I was seeing improvement in the way people related at low level... "PK in zone" was becoming the norm vs. nothing but PK's in zone, etc. Softcore said it best...the health of the server is totally hinged on how we all relate; what friendships/alliances we make in the beginning...when there's no opportunity for that, the server is going nowhere. Teams help build this, and it gives a clear "us vs. them", no matter what side you're on. The biggest problem was the division of races/classes, and there have been a few good posts in this thread on how to distribute that.

tldr; my vote is to increase xp sub 20 and implement teams.

PS - Devs are doing a great job...srsly.

[PhantomRogue]

Originally Posted by Wamorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I live for pvp, i enjoy eq pvp but not enough to spend 6 months or so of casual playing to get to the fun point.

winner winner chicken dinner

[HippoNipple]

1) Experience - increasing exp rate - bonuses for certain weekends honestly just piss people off that miss it, it should be a permanent thing. If you just make it for low levels whatever, better than nothing I guess. I would probably just miss the exp bonus by the time it came out if this happened so as someone who would benefit the least I can say it wouldn't bother me if it was for the good of the server.

2) Teams - as humerox stated, teams help and are a lot of fun. There would probably have to be teams of two since the population isn't large enough. Also it might be tough to split up the teams so both sides had all the classes, but it can be done.

3) GM events - always a plus

4) Ban Mardur

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by visage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are by far the most annoying person on these forums. Everything you speak of has blue server written all over it. Go seriusly back to divnity and play on the blue server. I remember when your guild whined and cried a crap ton about poop socking. Now your gonna get all upset when people whine about exp? Your one to talk. Basic math and Eq? You do realize this isn't 1999 and people playing this game are generally all vet eq players? Lol at thinking your the only one who knows a fire beetle is more then a moss snakes as far as exp. Im sure well over 90% of the population does too retard. It doesn't negate the fact this is a pvp server not a pve. I believe the fair majority rolled on this server for epic Player verse player battles. Not Player verse enviroment. Therefor having more competition and people to kill relates to the exp rate. When it seems everyone lower than level 20 makes up less than 20% of the population as a whole. That say's something.
This is a pvp server. We should be encouraged to kill eachother. This softcore pvp crap is why I despise your guild as a horr

Woah Visage (or should I say Kovenant), who buttered your bagels this morning? I noticed you quoted my entire post yet you didn't respond to any of it! Several people made comments about how blue mobs in the early levels weren't giving enough exp, and I was telling them why (it works differently here than on other emu servers). I was further arguing that the reason people are leaving is because they are too bad at this game and lack basic math skills. If people also don't know that light blue mobs are giving severely nerfed experience (something that also works differently here than on other emu servers), then they aren't going to make it very far and they probably would have quit regardless of a 20% experience bonus.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by PhantomRogue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it is Arrogant and Stubborn. Because the majority of the population wanted it GONE. Wanted it out of "classic." If you wanted Classic, why didn't you keep the crazy bugs in? Oh, my bad, it's "Roegan Classic."

You make yourself look dumber when you say, well we didnt fix Issue 1, because "its in Classic", but you fixed Issue 2 because "it was broke in classic." Seriously, either you want it Classic or you want it "Roegan Classic." Make up your minds.

It makes the Dev team look out of sorts and not knowing what the other Dev actually wants. Three people making their own changes and never having a clear view on what should be done.

Who is saying that its solely the halfling quest that caused people to leave? You are focusing on one issue when its the summation of all the exploits that is the cause of the problem. redacted (An exploit is ANY gaming of the system that the Dev's didn't see coming, regardless how small the benefit is, its still exploiting)

I pointed out many issues the server had, all added up to have a very real effect the population evolution. We had 500-600 in first week and now hovering at 300 prime, coincidentally Red is usually around 60-70% of Blue's population.

How about we just look at some other threads, People begging for XP Bonus, People making threads asking if its possible to start a new character, people talking about resists, the RAMPANT trading of Blue to Red and Red to Blue (OBVIOUSLY NOT CLASSIC), and stop arguing about the exploits that already occured that obviously isnt going to be looked at. And lets figure out how to keep what people we have here, staying here.

Go ahead and put the resurrection bug that let you jump to max level in a matter of a few hours also. If I compiled a list of bugs I could think of that were in Classic that *never* even made it here, you'd seriously reconsider this.

Bugs need to be removed. Stop being a dunce.

[Dfn]

Shut the fuck up about teams. You can't reactively add teams without allowing every single existing character a race/class/deity change. Teams are also ultra gay so go run your [edit before ginnypig bad word rage] elsewhere.

Sub 20 exp is an excellent idea. Theres no reason 3-20 should take so long.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Dfn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shut the fuck up about teams. You can't reactively add teams without allowing every single existing character a race/class/deity change.

Like everyone is so vested at this point, right?

[Vile]

We just want news on easier XP 1-30... where is this news. A simple yes or no would suffice. I need to know whether or not to buy Skyrim...