ELON MUSK vs. MARK ZUCKERBERG CAGE MATCH

[Homesteaded]

AP unbiased he says.

Your entire argument is hinged on the idea that ideas need to be controlled. You keep going back to that and it's ultimately why you are wrong.

Controlling ideas is bad, bad ideas will stand on merit or they won't. How on earth would you propose anyone controlling acceptable speech?

Group X: This speech actually causes me harm. It must be stopped.
Group Y: I'm sorry my opinion bothers you.
Group X: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AP unbiased he says.

Your entire argument is hinged on the idea that ideas need to be controlled. You keep going back to that and it's ultimately why you are wrong.

Controlling ideas is bad, bad ideas will stand on merit or they won't. How on earth would you propose anyone controlling acceptable speech?

Group X: This speech actually causes me harm. It must be stopped.
Group Y: I'm sorry my opinion bothers you.
Group X: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Propaganda is still propaganda. Sorry you don't like collectively agreed upon unbiased news agencies.

Guess doesn't help your X contributors pushing their soapbox short phrase and extreme hate interpreted memes.

meh

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AP unbiased he says.

Your entire argument is hinged on the idea that ideas need to be controlled. You keep going back to that and it's ultimately why you are wrong.

Controlling ideas is bad, bad ideas will stand on merit or they won't. How on earth would you propose anyone controlling acceptable speech?

Group X: This speech actually causes me harm. It must be stopped.
Group Y: I'm sorry my opinion bothers you.
Group X: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Don't expect to reason with a far lefty. If you want to understand where this belief is coming from read Repressive Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse. This basically gives extreme lefties permission to say that they believe anything 'resembling' right-wing speech or having right-wing outcomes is allowed to be suppressed.

They actually believe that shit.

It's actually a European idea that has been adopted by far lefty Americans which is in opposition to the universal American value of the 1st Amendments Freedom of Speech that 100% of Americans enjoy.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't expect to reason with a far lefty. If you want to understand where this belief is coming from read Repressive Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse. This basically gives extreme lefties permission to say that they believe anything 'resembling' right-wing speech or having right-wing outcomes is allowed to be suppressed.

They actually believe that shit.

It's actually a European idea that has been adopted by far lefty Americans which is in opposition to the universal American value of the 1st Amendments Freedom of Speech that 100% of Americans enjoy.

It is a waahhhhh essay that can be summed up as "Tolerance for me, but not for thee."

It is another extreme piece. Making you think you are on the fringe or on the edge of politics in society.

Help help the left is repressing me in this day and age!

Instead of wait lets take this racist or destructive religious manifesto down or remove this hate speech on X to prevent a copy cat.

[booter]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't expect to reason with a far lefty.

i'd like to ask in good faith, what positions do you hold on modern culture / policy that you believe make you a liberal? that set you apart from someone who would consider themselves a conservative?

you do claim it a lot in your posts, but that often is a sign of someone acting in bad faith/trolling, but i'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt since you have been respectul (to me) on the forums

with that said, i am a very "far lefty" but i actually know how to get along with people for the most part -- probably because i am confident in my beliefs, and i find it a waste of my limited free time to argue with strangers online, or even worse, try to change their minds (although occasionally i am guilty in getting caught up in some garbage)

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'd like to ask in good faith, what positions do you hold on modern culture / policy that you believe make you a liberal? that set you apart from someone who would consider themselves a conservative?

you do claim it a lot in your posts, but that often is a sign of someone acting in bad faith/trolling, but i'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt since you have been respectul (to me) on the forums

with that said, i am a very "far lefty" but i actually know how to get along with people for the most part -- probably because i am confident in my beliefs, and i find it a waste of my limited free time to argue with strangers online, or even worse, try to change their minds (although occasionally i am guilty in getting caught up in some garbage)

I appreciate your curiosity. I admire those that display it regardless of political background. If I had to guess you might be old school far lefty compared to the modern Gen Y and Gen Z version, but could be wrong. It's not even clear the venn diagram of those two groups overlap.

The best way to indicate an answer to you is how I vote. Glad Biden won and have been happy with his performance if I'm a bit worried about his age. Went to public school my whole life as well as a public university for college during a particular era so that inculcated a version of history that could only be described as liberal.

Supporter of 2nd wave Feminism. Have some reservations of 3rd wave Feminism. Supporter of Women's right to choose at the national level. Saddened there isn't courage to make this codified into law. I want a world where women can do whatever they like without being told they can't because of their sex.

I doubt conservatives know the distinction between 2nd and 3rd wave feminism.

I'd say that's enough to answer your question without writing a whole selfie political profile. I have written enough on these boards consistently for my political beliefs to be honed in on if you pay attention. I have been attacked from every political stripe on these boards, which is what happens if you are near the liberal middle with the capacity for empathy who wants to maximize the usefulness of Govt to 80% or 90% of people instead of the special interests, anti-bipartisanship, and extreme elites on both sides.

I appreciate your ability to get along and suggest your curiosity is unique amongst those who I have met in real life that call themself far lefty. There has been a shift in my lifetime seemingly in the last 20-25 years where being a far lefty changed from having meant being pro-peace at one point and now it means post-modern ends justify the means anything goes to generate far left only outcomes.

To me these tactics are regressive and I call them out as such. I find those strategies acted out set back the movement of progress by turning those with empathy against it.

[Origen]

Originally Posted by Homesteaded [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Group X: This speech actually causes me harm. It must be stopped.
Group Y: I'm sorry my opinion bothers you.
Group X: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

In this reactionary script, Group X is the State of Florida and Group Y is all of the gays and trans people.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In this reactionary script, Group X is the State of Florida and Group Y is all of the gays and trans people.

Is this because he banned underage drag shows?

Next thing you know they won't be able to see an R-rated movie. Tyranny.

[Origen]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is this because he banned underage drag shows?

Next thing you know they won't be able to see an R-rated movie. Tyranny.

No, it is not because of bullshit that the right makes up to ram through their hateful censorship crap.

You're better than these clowns. Stop it.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Origen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it is not because of bullshit that the right makes up to ram through their hateful censorship crap.

You're better than these clowns. Stop it.

If you mean the school gay thing, it also restricts straight white college educated women. Which I'm highly in favor of.