SK Race Choice

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regarding DSM I think I've been through all five stages, denial anger bargaining etc and have reached acceptance. I just feel bad for the guy. Most posters, even if we don't see eye to eye... I grow as a player by engaging with them, and learning from them. For example I didn't even think about dex for that Greenmist iksar SK in the other thread. If DSM could learn from other people he could probably enjoy the game more and be better at it. And the whole community would benefit, because the guy seems to have an impulse to help.

Someone should have taught this guy theory of mind and that you need to be able to acknowledge the limitations of your own understanding in order to grow.

Still waiting on you to show where the regen would help in the video I provided. It should be easy to show if it is so obvious. You waste a lot of time on trolling lol.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting on you to show where the regen would help in the video I provided. It should be easy to show if it is so obvious. You waste a lot of time on trolling lol.

Insert foot tapping, watch pointing Karen gif here.

Also, you waste alot of time being trolled.

[Snaggles]

I’ve never built a character around statistical superiority. I play classes that are fun but disadvantaged. If you ask me why I have a troll shaman, an erudite paladin, or a ranger (at all) I can say with honesty “I’m biased; it’s fun and I haven’t noticed a disadvantage yet”.

When your angle is “superiority > all and I’m never wrong” you better bring the receipts. You shouldn’t roll your eyes at people and ignore their critique as ignorant.

I’ve played this game for over 20 years, I’m a casual on p99 with 6 level 60’s and a bunch more I’ve just not cared to push there. Some others here have leveled and geared WAY more than me; I welcome their feedback. This isn’t some weird big brother program where you write a guide and expect people to study it before they engage with you. Guides are supposed to be a generous sharing of information. Manifestos are a declaration of the world as you see it.

You do, you. Trolling or genuine feedback your sk’s magelo would be better oriented as an ogre. More mana, more attack, capping stam. It’s ok to like a troll or enjoy regen for worse stats. Fashionquest is a personal thing. Stats and facts aren’t so again, if your currency is dealing in absolutes welcome to a fight at every corner. Once in a while admitting you might be wrong would also help. Unless you never think you have been wrong, if so that’s an issue.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve never built a character around statistical superiority. I play classes that are fun but disadvantaged. If you ask me why I have a troll shaman, an erudite paladin, or a ranger (at all) I can say with honesty “I’m biased; it’s fun and I haven’t noticed a disadvantage yet”.

When your angle is “superiority > all and I’m never wrong” you better bring the receipts. You shouldn’t roll your eyes at people and ignore their critique as ignorant.

I’ve played this game for over 20 years, I’m a casual on p99 with 6 level 60’s and a bunch more I’ve just not cared to push there. Some others here have leveled and geared WAY more than me; I welcome their feedback. This isn’t some weird big brother program where you write a guide and expect people to study it before they engage with you. Guides are supposed to be a generous sharing of information. Manifestos are a declaration of the world as you see it.

You do, you. Trolling or genuine feedback your sk’s magelo would be better oriented as an ogre. More mana, more attack, capping stam. It’s ok to like a troll or enjoy regen for worse stats. Fashionquest is a personal thing. Stats and facts aren’t so again, if your currency is dealing in absolutes welcome to a fight at every corner. Once in a while admitting you might be wrong would also help. Unless you never think you have been wrong, if so that’s an issue.

You do not have to build a character around statistical superiority. I have never said otherwise.

My angle has never been “superiority > all and I’m never wrong”. Yet another thing you have misread for years. My angle is "Give people the objective facts and let them decide for themselves. There is nothing wrong with picking a suboptimal choice. There is nothing wrong with being a min/maxer. Let everybody be happy by giving them the correct information."

I have provided plenty of receipts (evidence) for my claims. Simply dismissing everything out of hand as your method for saying I am incorrect is not a valid method of providing counter-evidence.

The core problem seems to be you think that providing objective facts is some kind of eye rolling, arrogance, or forcing people to think a certain way. I am not saying I am right because I am arrogant. I am saying I am right because I have actually done the research and provided evidence. Evidence you have yet to refute. I will be happy to admit I am wrong if you can do better research and provide better evidence. I have done so many times in the past.

I also do not expect everyone to read my guide. I am simply pointing out you are lying about what I've been saying. You've shown that you didn't even read the first few paragraphs of the guide I have had in my signature for years. This shows you aren't reading what I have been posting very closely or thoroughly, so you shouldn't be making baseless claims about my other posts.

For SK's Trolls are going to be the best racial choice if you solo most of the time. Ogres are going to be better if you group most of the time, as regeneration provides a lot less utility in a group with a healer. FSI will probably provide more benefit in that scenario. That has always been my position, if you actually read what I've been saying. I have a different stance on FSI/Regen for Shamans and SK's, because they are different classes. Torpor changes the equation because it is such a large boost to Regeneration.

[Duik]

Oof.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus Tittie Fucking Christ. Is this still a thing?

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[Lowako]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except you cant prove any of this, even when i provide the evidence for you. Where in the fight would the extra regen have helped?

7500 hp is 5 or 6 torpors worth of healing depending on how hard server tics own you, for the sake of simplicity lets say 5.

5 torpors is 30 seconds spent casting (in practice its a little bit more b/c nobody gcd resets perfectly) and 1000 mana spent.

recovering 1000 mana from canni4 takes 12~ casts or another 30 seconds spent casting and 1776 damage taken. Another torpor cast to recover from this (it wont quite fully cover it, but i think the point being made becomes clear here) so another 6 seconds and 200 mana used on torpor. add another 3 canni4 casts to make this torpor cast mana neutral - another 7.5s spent casting and 440~ damage taken.

best case you're looking at 30 seconds spent casting torpor and being 1000 mana down.
we're looking at 1m14s~ extra spent on nothing but canni4 and torpor if you're trying to break mana neutral while also being about 700 hp down.
this also ignores the fact that it is not always easy to commit to the 6s cast OR the fact that sometimes being snared is bad for business.

theres a lot of things you can do with that extra time and mana depending on what the situation calls for - jbb/epic clicks, sending pox/bane, malosini, extra wiggle room against slow resists or unfortunate fizzles etc.

with this particular situation vs ionat? at the end of the day it doesnt really matter that much because its an easy target - realistically you could probably unequip half your gear and still kill it without trouble. in situations where you're fighting something harder it becomes easier to see the value in having extra time and mana to cast other spells and increase your margin of error against mistakes / bad rng.

regen is also just real nice in the situations where incoming damage is small and/or infrequent - for example it lets you sneak in more canni casts in the situations where you can't commit to a longer cast. typically this happens when you're trying to land a slow. oddly enough canni3 was really nice for this, the 1.25s cast was short enough that it you're able to fit it in situations where 1.) slow is on cd or you're holding for threat related reasons 2.) you either just finished casting a heal or you can spare a second before starting your next heal. Fungi regen alone is giving you an hp neutral canni 3 every 5 tics which is 7.6 FT worth of mana regen if my numbers aren't wrong. i'm using canni3 here because thats just what i remember using when i played on blue years back (canni4 either wasnt released or it was out and its initial form sucks, idr) - i'm fairly confident canni4 cast time is short enough to function in the same manner as a filler spell.

i did not realize the idea that hp regen is good and useful was so controversial, but here we are.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lowako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i did not realize the idea that hp regen is good and useful was so controversial, but here we are.

Posters like Troxx, Toxigen, lune, etc., make things into a controversy by trying to troll. It is a well established pattern by now. They care about bloating topics, not finding truth. They like insulting people, denying evidence, and shutting down conversation.

Nobody is saying HP Regen is bad. I do not know where people keep reading this nonsensical idea. I am simply showing the mathematical reality that Torpor dwarfs worn/spell regen. Worn/spell regen loses a lot of value, because Torpor is just providing so much already.

Originally Posted by Lowako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with this particular situation vs ionat? at the end of the day it doesnt really matter that much because its an easy target - realistically you could probably unequip half your gear and still kill it without trouble. in situations where you're fighting something harder it becomes easier to see the value in having extra time and mana to cast other spells and increase your margin of error against mistakes / bad rng.

People keep saying Ionat is an "easy target", but haven't provided an example of a "hard target". Simply dismissing evidence because you assume something is "easy" is not a valid argument.

If you post a "hard target", I can make a video and share the results.

The point of the Ionat video is to show you an example of a fight that takes a long time. Regeneration gets better over time, so it should be a good example to make your case for Regeneration. A Hard 3 minute fight isn't making much use of Regen anyway. You are getting less than 1 Torpor in that scenario with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff. If you run out of mana to the point where you need one extra Torpor, you had bigger problems with the fight.

You still haven't shown where the regeneration would have helped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPxeOVuX0G8 . Just take a look through the video and do the math as to what HP/Mana I would be at, and see if it would have helped at all. You can try to apply your other theories that way.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM cutting his grass with scissors.

"You know there are lawnmo--"

PROVE IT

I laughed

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I laughed

I am not sure why. Lune has provided nothing to back up his claims. His analogy doesn't even make sense if he cannot actually show me doing an example of this.

It is a shame people do not think evidence matters. You can just make claims and expect people to believe them without question.

The irony is I am showing him the lawnmower, and he thinks it isn't a lawnmower because he claims it is a pair of scissors. Nobody can convince him it is a lawnmower, even when you show him other lawnmowers. He will just keep claiming it is a pair of scissors in an attempt to "win".