Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Grumph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

I will elaborate on my post since you don't seem to have gotten the point. The concession was hollow and meaningless because Frag at the time was almost never killing LTK. So the cost to Kittens was a lot of wasted time and targets lost and the cost to Frag was nothing.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two issues with this scenario: Who the fuck needs HELP recovering from LTK? Any non-KOS cleric can just walk up there and any monk can move the corpses.

And who is to blame that Riot CHOSE to go for LTK instead of contesting other mobs?

How is any of that Vanquish's fault? It's not their fault you suck.

You heard it here from Samoht folks! If you wipe a guild during an engage you don't need to help them recover if you feel like it should be an easy recovery. Wasted time doesn't matter! Riot chose to come help do what Frag should've immediately stopped to help do at the time it happened. Because Riot was/is a standup guild and Frag/Vanq is an approximation of a large pile of garbage.

Your boy Incubo is the "suck" you're referring to. He was told before he trained that there was a guild at west exit and decided to train out that direction anyways. Too bad Frag had no integrity at the time to do the right thing. Something that continues to this day.

[Arvan]

“You guys trained yourselves with the giant train of mobs we dropped on you”

More news at 11

[Yinein]

I'm glad I quit raiding long time ago , thank all of y'all for the reminder

[k9quaint]

Thread summary:
Vanquish trains Riot and Kittens, then engages in desperate gaslighting on RnF.

Compilation video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ

The compilation shows:
1) Klaz running to riot+kittens raid (0:06)
2) Green & glimmer drakes fully reset in the hall (meaning riot/kittens didn't have aggro) these mobs are later trained onto riot+kittens. (0:51)
3) Reset mobs social aggro with Vulak guards (1:38)
4) The raid being trained as Klaz casts a spell (meaning he stood up, which the video also shows) (1:51)
5) Fresh aggro messages go out in the exact time it takes to cast FD. (2:01)
6) Klaz stands up and guards beeline for him - since he has aggro. (2:21)

This did not happen on green tho.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thread summary:
Vanquish trains Riot and Kittens, then engages in desperate gaslighting on RnF.

Compilation video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ

The compilation shows:
1) Klaz running to riot+kittens raid (0:06)
2) Green & glimmer drakes fully reset in the hall (meaning riot/kittens didn't have aggro) these mobs are later trained onto riot+kittens. (0:51)
3) Reset mobs social aggro with Vulak guards (1:38)
4) The raid being trained as Klaz casts a spell (meaning he stood up, which the video also shows) (1:51)
5) Fresh aggro messages go out in the exact time it takes to cast FD. (2:01)
6) Klaz stands up and guards beeline for him - since he has aggro. (2:21)

This did not happen on green tho.

That’s deceptively edited propaganda.

Raw footage is evidence. That ain’t it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jCHRkoMD3EM

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Compilation video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ

The compilation shows:
1) Klaz running to riot+kittens raid (0:06)
2) Green & glimmer drakes fully reset in the hall (meaning riot/kittens didn't have aggro) these mobs are later trained onto riot+kittens. (0:51)
3) Reset mobs social aggro with Vulak guards (1:38)
4) The raid being trained as Klaz casts a spell (meaning he stood up, which the video also shows) (1:51)
5) Fresh aggro messages go out in the exact time it takes to cast FD. (2:01)
6) Klaz stands up and guards beeline for him - since he has aggro. (2:21)

I'm going to be honest with you: The compilation video is trash, and the person who created it wasted their time. It includes the same angles that have been thoroughly analyzed and tries to present them in a synchronized manner, but fails to include any hard evidence because the source videos contained none.

It doesn't show Klaz standing in camp when the train comes in, and it does not actually show the things you allege that it includes (like #4 & 5 on your list).

There's better video out there, and this entire thread could have been avoided if it had been provided sooner.

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to be honest with you: The compilation video is trash, and the person who created it wasted their time. It includes the same angles that have been thoroughly analyzed and tries to present them in a synchronized manner, but fails to include any hard evidence because the source videos contained none.

It doesn't show Klaz standing in camp when the train comes in, and it does not actually show the things you allege that it includes (like #4 & 5 on your list).

There's better video out there, and this entire thread could have been avoided if it had been provided sooner.

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[Kaitainz]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to be honest with you: The compilation video is trash, and the person who created it wasted their time. It includes the same angles that have been thoroughly analyzed and tries to present them in a synchronized manner, but fails to include any hard evidence because the source videos contained none.

It doesn't show Klaz standing in camp when the train comes in, and it does not actually show the things you allege that it includes (like #4 & 5 on your list).

There's better video out there, and this entire thread could have been avoided if it had been provided sooner.

Are you really this stupid or do you work hard at it? Serious question, since you missed the video showing Klaz standing, then casting FD, then new agro messages go out and kill our members, directly below the pieces together to show everything g at once time synced video. I really wonder if your acting stupid or really are this stupid. I almost feel sorry for your dumb ass.

[k9quaint]

Originally Posted by Kaitainz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you really this stupid or do you work hard at it? Serious question, since you missed the video showing Klaz standing, then casting FD, then new agro messages go out and kill our members, directly below the pieces together to show everything g at once time synced video. I really wonder if your acting stupid or really are this stupid. I almost feel sorry for your dumb ass.

Why can't he be really this stupid and also work hard at it? It would fit the data we have on him from this thread.