Who is the best car/truck manufacturer?

[Gustoo]

And yeah we're talking about cars as cars that drive places that complete jobs, not specific sub categories like sports cars or luxury cars because those don't require cars to be good cars, only that they fulfil the specific sports or luxury purpose.

Like, an LS4XX is better than any mercedes in all car features (reliability, quality) but will lose due to perceived excellenceness and its kind of silly to discuss those properties because they're fully subjective, and when it comes to that I would take whichever I think looks the best.

But for these categories

1. Car: Corolla
2. Mid car: Camry
3. Crossover: Highlander
4. Small Crossover: Rav 4
5. Small SUV: 4 runner
6. Small pickup: Tacoma
7. Full 1/2 ton SUV: Sequoia
8. Full 1/2 ton truck: Tundra
9. Hybrid: Prius
10. Minivan: Sienna

For all of those cars and categories, the toyota does the job the best. None of them is trying to be extreme luxury, none of them is trying to be extreme off road. They are cars for everyone to do what mostly everyone needs cars to do. And in all of the categories that Toyota makes a car, it is the best choice barring subjective concerns like aesthetics or feel.

The BRZ / FRS / GT86 doesn't qualify, because it is a subaru. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 4 cyl engine it would certainly be the best small sports car made in many years and the only good one made today.

The new Supra doesn't qualify, because it is a BMW. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 6 or simply the lexus ISF 302 v8 it would be a very desireable car. As it is, its just another BMW and most toyota people don't want BMW problems.

And then there is the Avalon, but thats a car segment that I don't really care about. Nicer than camry mid size sedan? Its a great car but I don't even know what it's up against.

Land Cruiser is a special car made in a different factory that costs a ton of money. For what it is, it is the absolute kind of the hill but its basically 100,000 dollars and hard to justify for most people vs a Sequoia even though its the absolute best big off road land yacht.

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Old supras, new BMW.

Push Water

at 13psi, too.. If you pressurize water, it raises its boiling point. Then you can run the engine hotter without boiling the radiator over. <3

The new supra is half BMW. The engine is made by BMW but tuned by Toyota. Got a lotta different DNA going on but all good.

BMW did fall off a bit. Their cars are just packed with too much shit, I think. Strip all that crap out, tone it down, slim it down. It could lose 500lbs and be a different kind of car. Like yeah its fast and they go around corners but in reality, 90% of em will never touch the rev limiter or turn the wheel at any significant speed. So they wont.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Byue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here, it freezes during the night, thaw in the morning, freeze during the day, thaw in the evening and refreeze at night so our roads are... well, shit.

There's just no competing with our shitty roads.

You guys ever drove a skyline?
It's a dream of mine.

Never drove a skyline. The RB26DETT is another super sweet engine but doesn't hold up quite as well as the 2jz but not everything is about maximum horsepower for land speed and drag racing ETC.

I always wanted an R32.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yeah we're talking about cars as cars that drive places that complete jobs, not specific sub categories like sports cars or luxury cars because those don't require cars to be good cars, only that they fulfil the specific sports or luxury purpose.

Like, an LS4XX is better than any mercedes in all car features (reliability, quality) but will lose due to perceived excellenceness and its kind of silly to discuss those properties because they're fully subjective, and when it comes to that I would take whichever I think looks the best.

But for these categories

1. Car: Corolla
2. Mid car: Camry
3. Crossover: Highlander
4. Small Crossover: Rav 4
5. Small SUV: 4 runner
6. Small pickup: Tacoma
7. Full 1/2 ton SUV: Sequoia
8. Full 1/2 ton truck: Tundra
9. Hybrid: Prius
10. Minivan: Sienna

For all of those cars and categories, the toyota does the job the best. None of them is trying to be extreme luxury, none of them is trying to be extreme off road. They are cars for everyone to do what mostly everyone needs cars to do. And in all of the categories that Toyota makes a car, it is the best choice barring subjective concerns like aesthetics or feel.

The BRZ / FRS / GT86 doesn't qualify, because it is a subaru. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 4 cyl engine it would certainly be the best small sports car made in many years and the only good one made today.

The new Supra doesn't qualify, because it is a BMW. It is a good car in its own right, and if it had a toyota inline 6 or simply the lexus ISF 302 v8 it would be a very desireable car. As it is, its just another BMW and most toyota people don't want BMW problems.

And then there is the Avalon, but thats a car segment that I don't really care about. Nicer than camry mid size sedan? Its a great car but I don't even know what it's up against.

Land Cruiser is a special car made in a different factory that costs a ton of money. For what it is, it is the absolute kind of the hill but its basically 100,000 dollars and hard to justify for most people vs a Sequoia even though its the absolute best big off road land yacht.

The accord is better than the Camry I’d say

[Gravydoo II]

Dont forget LFA!

[Shawk]

Echo/Yaris > Corolla > Camry

[Gravydoo II]

DPI and LMP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6Qs...alIMSAOfficial

Ohh and GT3

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The new supra is half BMW. The engine is made by BMW but tuned by Toyota. Got a lotta different DNA going on but all good.

A good engine is a good engine, that is not my beefs. My beef is taking an established idea and doing that. They could have easily made a new model of car. They stuck the Supra on it because of the reasons, not all of them legit in my eyes.

When it comes to Japanese, American, German (whichever), prefer them to be from their country. That is getting harder to do these days I suppose. Japan like everyone else has their own quirks. When you hodge podge everything that is what you get.

I have a similar complaint with multiplatform standards in Windows gaming, which also seeks to remove the 'Windows' part of the equation.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In urban Houston? We have absolutely abysmal roads, I promise you

Here's a local side street from a picture I took maybe 15 years ago. It is by no means the worst one in the area. Ignoring the difference in rural scenery vs. cityscape, I can't recollect any similar-quality roads in Houston except those undergoing active construction (admittedly, I can't claim to have driven the entire area, being ~1500 miles away).

[Patriam1066]

Yeah our roads are at least paved, it is a city after all

Nonetheless, they are quite terrible