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09-25-2023, 08:31 AM
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10-14-2023, 07:42 PM
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This thread is filled with useless posts making it difficult to find good data.
If someone would like to take the time, please organize a post with the in-era evidence for how, if any, damage bonuses should apply to range. Thanks!
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10-18-2023, 04:55 PM
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I dont know if this has been reviewed, but I have found the following patch notes which give insight into how trueshot worked, and thus how archery performed using 2 different patch notes. - ------------------------------ January 9, 2001 3:00 am ------------------------------ - Corrected a bug that was causing damage while using the "Trueshot" Discipline to be the same regardless of the quality of your bow. This patch, changed the mechanics of trueshot whereas before it made the damage 45, regardless of the bow delay. Sony made this change, then analyzed the damage of rangers, and subsequently made the following change a week later. - ------------------------------ January 17, 2001 3:00 am ------------------------------ The ranger's "Trueshot" discipline has had its damage increased after analyzing data from its fix last week. Prior to the last patch, all bows, while under the discipline, were hitting as if they were 45dmg bows regardless of the delay. Last week's patch fixed it so that damage was based on the damage of the bow. This weeks patch increases damage bonuses in relation to delay (longer delays yield better damage bonuses). This patch specifically tells us that Trueshot yielded better damage bonuses for rangers based on the delay of the bow. In my opinion, this means two things. Bow had their own independent damage bonus (separate from whatever weapon was in primary slot), and 2, Trueshot would amplify the damage bonus. Sony straight up said, longer delays yielded better damage bonuses. | |||
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10-19-2023, 09:50 PM
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#8
10-20-2023, 09:18 AM
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Per Awsten_Tx's information kinda clues into what may have happened.
Perhaps main hand delay became the blanket damage bonus by mistake. - Main hand bonus damage based on delay of weapon was added a while back. - A similar bonus damage based on delay was applied to bows. - Along with the TrueShot buff and the delay damage bonus on bows then players see the damage described by rangers here: https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...99021051596414 May 18 2001 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default Acutally highest critical using trueshot on the glade is said to be 1100ish on a velk the sorcery. The bow was a efetti bow. Since delay is one of the factors in damage on trueshot. IE higher delay larger hits. Kinwen And Jun 05 2001 at 10:20 PM Rating: Default You are correct, high delay does aid with higher hits. The hardest I have seen Darby hit with this is now 902. He needs to work on his archery! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] -bort | ||
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10-22-2023, 12:45 PM
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The primary hand damage bonus is a p99 specific bug. No other server, including OG live, modern TLP's, Takp function that way. Bows should have their own independent bonus damage which would correct large race weighted axe abuse.
On top of that, it would help correct the inherent nerf that is exclusive to P99 rangers in regards to archery. Ranger bonuses should be doubled on anchored targets, and should also be bonused when trueshotting. | ||
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11-01-2023, 01:10 PM
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Where throwing weapons right now still have a chance to hit for 1 point of damage, the damage bonus on your main hand weapon is making it so that your lowest possible hit with an arrow IS THE DAMAGE BONUS + whatever calculation is happening beyond that to give you what you're actually hitting for. Quote:
Within the larger context of a log file from Twainz, he's shooting arrows with a Weighted Axe, and because he's got OTHER HITS on, you're seeing bow damage from Faceoff (Troll SK with Weighted Axe) shooting arrows as well: Quote:
Where most every weapon or special skill in the game has it's own minimum damage coded in (flying kick, backstabs, kicks, throwing weapons, etc etc), arrows are using the damage bonuses of the slowest weapons available to give you the minimum damage you'll do, and then it starts calculating AC and everything else after that. In general, someone with 1600 AC would take very little damage from ANY melee damage across the board, but with arrows how they are, it's creating an environment now where everyone is building up armies of TROLL, OGRE, or BARBARIAN bow users, because the weighted axe provides gargantuan minimum hit benefits. The way people use gear and build characters on Red99 now is mostly by building up the maximum amount of hit points, with no regard for resists or any other alternative criteria. Casters of any kind are only situationally useful, because they have far less hit points than large races and they can't do anything to bow users at 300-350 range. Another log from this thread (Ogre SK with Weighted Axe): Quote:
Rogues in many different contexts use the OT hammer and don't bother with normal melee, backstabbing, or using any other type of tactical ingenuity to kill people. The strong vocal outcry is because there's a bastardization effect happening on the normal modes of PvP, and it's making the majority of classes AND races broadly ineffective. Even the very well geared casters can't compete against a "Walmart" Ogre, Troll, or Barbarian SK or warrior. | ||||||
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