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[Ripqozko]

Loramin is the AoC of p99

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin is the AoC of p99

He's so deluded that he may actually take that as a compliment

[enesis]

Aegis does do NTOV crawls and folks have floated the idea about crawling in during a repop for some of the "lesser" dragons. Unfortunately, it will probably never happen because of the incredible amount of salt that would instantly flow from the pull-to-entrance guilds if we were in their way. And then we'd get trained. Remember when BG setup at the WToV entrance? Go read those threads if you were being serious in your suggestion. Our officers/members know that drama is the likely result of setting up and crawling during a repop and most do not want to deal with the whining about it. Most of my interactions with the big raiding guilds outside NToV suggest the same. The least appealing thing about NToV to me is the inevitable rule lawyering that it entails; if I had to identify what is keeping Aegis out of NToV, I’d point to the people who frequent it.

In addition to avoiding drama because guilds cannot play nice, the best part about a rotation would be that it allows for actual dungeon crawls. The fact that an NTOV crawl has happened once during the last two years (or maybe the history of the server?) shows that a crawl style of raiding is not a practical option in the coth + pull-to-entrance raid environment. Don’t you guys like a little foreplay?! Or maybe that’s not a concept you are familiar with (ouch).

P.S., rotation or not, the bigger guilds will still go at other targets full bore. See the recent 300+ people fear repops or the past few Sundays where AM has socked sev with us for the entire window. The same guilds are are at pretty much every Sev/CT/Golem/Kozzalym repop as well. AM kills gore within minutes of it spawning in the middle of the night. It's completely disingenuous to suggest that competition for other targets would somehow "get worse" if NToV was rotated. It is a totally empty threat. So in that regard, who cares?

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by enesis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aegis does do NTOV crawls and folks have floated the idea about crawling in during a repop for some of the "lesser" dragons. Unfortunately, it will probably never happen because of the incredible amount of salt that would instantly flow from the pull-to-entrance guilds if we were in their way. And then we'd get trained. Remember when BG setup at the WToV entrance? Go read those threads if you were being serious in your suggestion. Our officers/members know that drama is the likely result of setting up and crawling during a repop and most do not want to deal with the whining about it. Most of my interactions with the big raiding guilds outside NToV suggest the same. The least appealing thing about NToV to me is the inevitable rule lawyering that it entails; if I had to identify what is keeping Aegis out of NToV, I’d point to the people who frequent it.

In addition to avoiding drama because guilds cannot play nice, the best part about a rotation would be that it allows for actual dungeon crawls. The fact that an NTOV crawl has happened once during the last two years (or maybe the history of the server?) shows that a crawl style of raiding is not a practical option in the coth + pull-to-entrance raid environment. Don’t you guys like a little foreplay?! Or maybe that’s not a concept you are familiar with (ouch).

P.S., rotation or not, the bigger guilds will still go at other targets full bore. See the recent 300+ people fear repops or the past few Sundays where AM has socked sev with us for the entire window. The same guilds are are at pretty much every Sev/CT/Golem/Kozzalym repop as well. AM kills gore within minutes of it spawning in the middle of the night. It's completely disingenuous to suggest that competition for other targets would somehow "get worse" if NToV was rotated. It is a totally empty threat. So in that regard, who cares?

mad cuz bad

[enesis]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mad cuz bad

You and like six other dudes in particular have been flipping shit in every thread that even tangentially concerns a rotation.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by enesis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You and like six other dudes in particular have been flipping shit in every thread that even tangentially concerns a rotation.

I definitely would stop playing in a rotated environment with ~7 guilds and I also know that's music to your ears. But when all the attractive and successful people stop playing, no one will care about this server.

[enesis]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

attractive and successful

haahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahh

[loramin]

Originally Posted by enesis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You and like six other dudes in particular have been flipping shit in every thread that even tangentially concerns a rotation.

That's about the level of discourse here: it is Rants and Flames after all (not that it stays in this forum).

The group of "real men who compete through made-up unclassic mechanisms and believe everyone else is a loser/whiner/baby" do their best to drown out any actual meaningful dialog, while making no desire to actually convince anyone of anything except by shouting the loudest. And they are exactly who I've been railing against with all my "let's have an honest debate" stuff.

Thankfully, some people here aren't like that. I'll drag Champion through the mud any day of the weak for trying to claim that P99 "competition" is in any way classic, but I have so much respect for the guy for actually engaging. And he's not the only one: if you filter out the "shouters" there really has been an interesting dialog going on in this thread.

And that is what I hope my real audience sees. Not me "losing" the debate because a bunch of idiots keep trying to shout me down, but me having an interesting, not black and white (though obviously I feel my position is stronger) debate with the few people willing to have it, honestly, with me.

Ultimately, only one person's opinion on all this really matters (though I would think/hope that Rogean would consider the other GMs' opinions also). So I hope that if he/they read this thread, they are able to see past the fact that it's RNF and people yell a lot. I hope they can see some actual points being made on both sides about what's best for the server, and if they do I hope they'll see how much better for the server overall (not for RNF, and not for the top guilds) a rotation system would be,

[Terrel]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's about the level of discourse here: it is Rants and Flames after all (not that it stays in this forum).

The group of "real men who compete through made-up unclassic mechanisms and believe everyone else is a loser/whiner/baby" do their best to drown out any actual meaningful dialog, while making no desire to actually convince anyone of anything except by shouting the loudest. And they are exactly who I've been railing against with all my "let's have an honest debate" stuff.

Thankfully, some people here aren't like that. I'll drag Champion through the mud any day of the weak for trying to claim that P99 "competition" is in any way classic, but I have so much respect for the guy for actually engaging. And he's not the only one: if you filter out the "shouters" there really has been an interesting dialog going on in this thread.

And that is what I hope my real audience sees. Not me "losing" the debate because a bunch of idiots keep trying to shout me down, but me having an interesting, not black and white (though obviously I feel my position is stronger) debate with the few people willing to have it, honestly, with me.

Ultimately, only one person's opinion on all this really matters (though I would think/hope that Rogean would consider the other GMs' opinions also). So I hope that if he/they read this thread, they are able to see past the fact that it's RNF and people yell a lot. I hope they can see some actual points being made on both sides about what's best for the server, and if they do I hope they'll see how much better for the server overall (not for RNF, and not for the top guilds) a rotation system would be,

I'm not any good at RnF either, Loramin. Not my personality. But you hear lots of loud voices in here, eh?

FWIW, I agree with you, and I'm sure most do. Here are my thoughts on this matter:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...24#post2861024

[Raev]

Originally Posted by enesis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately, it will probably never happen because of the incredible amount of salt that would instantly flow from the pull-to-entrance guilds if we were in their way.

Are you so terrified at the thought of being on the business end of a Detoxx flame that you can do nothing but status signal? How r-selected of you. Rabbits don't fight over territory. Have you considered the following:

• The staff are -><- this close to announcing a rotation anyway, and that they would look with more favor on this concept if the non-zone pull guilds made even a token effort?
• Sirken is no longer lead GM. If you start crawling TOV on a repop Aftermath has to decide whether to roll the dice with Braknar (who announced the rotation!) with a 20 day raid suspension at stake.
• Worst case you spend 1-2 hours corpse summoning and rezzing.

Embrace the conflict! Feel your amygala powering up!

Originally Posted by enesis

Don’t you guys like a little foreplay?! Or maybe that’s not a concept you are familiar with (ouch).

With r-selected people, it's always about the volume of sex. You win in a resource-rich environment by reproducing the most.