My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it's insane. Like people should totally just be able to go from slavery, to Jim Crow, to being exactly like their former slave owners, because their past doesn't have any effect whatsoever on their present/future.

So you can make the connection between hundreds of years of changes in civil rights and political evolution and even a civil war, to the way people are treated, but you cannot, for the life of you, admit that perhaps your actions might also be contributing to the struggle you are so desperate to fix?

You cannot even for a second out of fear of becoming a racist yourself, even discuss that perhaps culturally blacks are suffering because of their own actions and that they are infact culturally more inclined to commit crimes in disproportionatly larger numbers?

The difference between me and you is I am willing to admit that there are a multitude of reasons as to why black people are struggling in modern society, you however believe that it was only the actions of people in the past, that you are morally superior, and that anything else is insane.

[Pokesan]

on the one hand he did make her identity about how great he is for accepting her despite not passing in his eyes

but on the other hand im just writing these things to torment him for fun

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes, I suppose you think the way someone used to be treated generations ago, somehow has an effect on how people are treated today (I mean besides you libs saying that they are less than in every way, emotionally destroying their ability to grow and maintain their equal footing in America)

Just ignoring something doesn't mean it goes away or doesn't exist.

Just because laws now proclaim every man and woman should be treated equally in America doesn't erase the racism/sexism that future Americans are indoctrinated with.

You can't expect these problems to go away because legislation has been written to address them. Past generations of people indoctrinate future generations with the same ideologies they were taught so it's hard to break the cycle of racism and sexism.

These social issues exist, and not because we as a people pretend they exist and have created mental crutches for minorities and women.

This doesnn't mean that some people do feel like victims when they are not. This doesn't mean that some people do not try to use these as excuses. I am just saying these social issues are real, have always been real and will forever be real as long as humans exist.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you can make the connection between hundreds of years of changes in civil rights and political evolution and even a civil war, to the way people are treated, but you cannot, for the life of you, admit that perhaps your actions might also be contributing to the struggle you are so desperate to fix?

You cannot even for a second out of fear of becoming a racist yourself, even discuss that perhaps culturally blacks are suffering because of their own actions and that they are infact culturally more inclined to commit crimes in disproportionatly larger numbers?

The difference between me and you is I am willing to admit that there are a multitude of reasons as to why black people are struggling in modern society, you however believe that it was only the actions of people in the past, that you are morally superior, and that anything else is insane.

Dude, it's not "hundreds of years". The civil war ended in 1865: that's less than 200 years ago. Jim Crow laws (eg. "blacks totally have equal voting rights ... they just have to pass this insanely hard literacy test that we don't give to whites if they want to vote ... it's totally equal") didn't end until the civil rights movement, which started in the 1950s.

There are people still alive in America today (a lot) who remember what the Jim Crow south was like. For instance, my high school English teacher told me a story about being pregnant with her first kid and going to a black hospital in the south, only to be told that she had to go to a white hospital because that's how things are done here. This is not ancient history.

To think that the children of people who were quite literally second class citizens in their own lifetime, should not be impacted by their parent's experiences (and their parent's, and their parent's ...) is insane.

[hyejin]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on the one hand he did make her identity about how great he is for accepting her despite not passing in his eyes

but on the other hand im just writing these things to torment him for fun

above lies a post with more umami than a roast

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, it's not "hundreds of years". The civil war ended in 1865: that's less than 200 years ago. Jim Crow laws (eg. "blacks totally have equal voting rights ... they just have to pass this insanely hard literacy test that we don't give to whites if they want to vote ... it's totally equal") didn't end until the civil rights movement, which started in the 1950s.

There are people still alive in America today (and not a small amount) who still remember what the Jim Crow south was like. My English teacher even told me a story about being pregnant with her first kid and going to a black hospital in the south, only to be told that she had to go to a white hospital because that's how things are done here. This is not ancient history.

To think that the children of people who were quite literally second class citizens in their own lifetime, should not be impacted by their parent's experiences (and their parent's, and their parent's ...) is insane.

What would end racism in your opinion? Just curious

[Patriam1066]

PS: I still don't understand the success of Nigerians and the lack of their representation in prison since they are west African just like African americans

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you really want the job? Youre gonna get payed less.

Man

or woman.

I'm proud to see you haven't let a traumatic event define who you are as a person. Good job.

Totally agreed that feminism needs to be more outward looking at this point (and not just to muslims, there is shady stuff happening to women in other Asian cultures too).

On the pay gap, I do think there is actually a women's issue here that needs to be addressed. If there is a women's rag laying around, I'll generally flick through to take a look at the content. There is one issue I have never seen in a women's magazine, though I have noticed it in mens (which I probably end up reading less frequently).

The issue is that women never EVER ask for pay rises. Men do it all the time. Women never do. That is my personal experience. Women's media should be writing articles on how to ask for and secure pay rises, instead of how to give your bloke a five star blozza.

The really sad thing, is recently some bigdog exec made a similar observation; never in his career has a woman asked him for a pay rise... The statement was being covered by 'Womans Hour', a show on BBC Radio 4. Instead of saying 'yeah, this is a really interesting point, has anyone here ever asked for a pay rise? How did it pan out?' they all started shaming this guy as patriarchical, old fashioned and anti women.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, it's not "hundreds of years". The civil war ended in 1865: that's less than 200 years ago. Jim Crow laws (eg. "blacks totally have equal voting rights ... they just have to pass this insanely hard literacy test that we don't give to whites if they want to vote ... it's totally equal") didn't end until the civil rights movement, which started in the 1950s.

There are people still alive in America today (a lot) who remember what the Jim Crow south was like. For instance, my high school English teacher told me a story about being pregnant with her first kid and going to a black hospital in the south, only to be told that she had to go to a white hospital because that's how things are done here. This is not ancient history.

To think that the children of people who were quite literally second class citizens in their own lifetime, should not be impacted by their parent's experiences (and their parent's, and their parent's ...) is insane.

not once have I said that there was harm done in the past, in fact I agreed that there was, I just dont believe that you ranting about being morally superior for acknowledging that WILL HAVE ANY EFFECT AT ALL

however addressing the cultural inadequacies of those groups TODAY might, however YOU would say that is racist.

also you dismissing the civil rights movement and the real progress it has made, is an insult to the very cause you profess to be superior to others over, you are more of a burden to the cause than someone who cares not one bit about minority struggles.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS: I still don't understand the success of Nigerians and the lack of their representation in prison since they are west African just like African americans

That's a good thing to point out to people spouting all this pseudoscience about blacks just being plain born inferior.

I think its because they don't have a rebellious attitude toward what Bill O'reilly once called the "white establishment." They don't have a Black American accent they have a Nigerian one (or just sound white). It's not looked down on nearly as much.