Stop the Socking

[Daldaen]

But... Baby steps.

I can get behind 2 in zone to tag, foot racers. No CotH.

Though I do think requiring new people to know the designated start point to tag in every zone is a bit much. Just make them logical points. Does Class C have points for all this stuff since you don't CotH?

Gore = KC Ent (on the brick/stone platform)
Sev = FoB zone line (what's a geographical object that can be used as a milestone so people don't creep up)
Tal = On OT ramp
Faydedar = On Ogre island land (or you can do on Chessboard if you want to get closer so that that pull isn't 20 minutes)
VS = DL Ent (behind bridge)
Nagafen = Entrance (not past first turn... IE you shouldn't see a kobold)
Vox = Entrance (not past first turn... IE you shouldn't see the ramp)
CT/Inny/Maestro/Draco = Not in zone
Trakanon = Not in zone... No preformed CotH groups. (The poopsocking on this must die, figure out ideas on how to get that to happen without people herpderp training all the way down to him...)

I think that's something most could agree to. Just need to clarify foot race. All classes/movement speeds allowed? Can druids/wizards evac themselves and/or taggers if the evac point is advantageous?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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But, but, I thought class R is supposed to get all the mobs? Isn't this CustomEZP99.

You guys are the biggest bunch the crybabies. Then you get Taken in here coth duck socking 40+ strong and saying they aren't prepared for Class C. What a joke and a half.

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Who is exactly crying here? All we hear is TMO crying about COH ducking....

Class R is trying to seek out a change that is very popular with everyone except....

you guessed it.

[arsenalpow]

The bag limit is something I'm currently happy with and id like to see carried forward. Class C already circumvents the bag limit by having VP never count towards it. If VP continues to be a class C playground then that's the fair trade off. Either EVERYTHING is fair game in a FFA situation (I'm looking at you VP) and the bag limits are removed or inflated for class C or we keep the current bag limit system and carry it over for C/R FFA repops and class R still can't trespass on the holy land of VP.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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But, but, I thought class R is supposed to get all the mobs? Isn't this CustomEZP99.

You guys are the biggest bunch the crybabies. Then you get Taken in here coth duck socking 40+ strong and saying they aren't prepared for Class C. What a joke and a half.

We don't have enough Clarks in our guild. Players who can sit at a single camp for 2 months straight farming pixels :/.

But seriously. We tried for one FFA Trak, we don't have the depth of poopsocks you do to be competitive on it. Literally both TMO and IB have 2 mages on poop mountain with 2 more at zone in so that once it spawns you almost immediately have 4 CotHers on the mountain ready to get down the rest of your sockers.

If we cannot get Trakanon, we cannot get VP keys. If we cannot get VP keys the largest benefit to being in Class C is moot. We would get 2 Class C/FFAs on repops totalling 4 a month, far less than what we get in FFA and Class R currently. So it would yield less targets, alienate our more casual players, and burn out our more hardcore players. It's clearly a terrible choice currently.

Remove poopsocking, we may become competitive on more mobs like Trak that may end up pushing us into Class C... But right now we can only really sock VS and only during advantageous windows. Thus why you didn't see us at 4 AM for FFA VS.

Even then I think the VS socking done by us (and Class C) is retarded. Having 3 warriors and 2 clerics auto running into a wall for 16 hours is so dumb, and needs to be eradicated. Which is why I only pop in for 5 min at a time to rebuff. I just happened to be present for the last two when I was rebuffing on my cleric.

You want to see Taken in Class C, oblige Derubael, come up with some ways to get rid of poop socking and CotH FTEs, reduce variance so that windows are smaller and the time commitment to staring at a track box or camping out your main toon are limited and maybe after a few more months Taken may be ready to take that step.

By the way, my question was ignored. 4 AM VS, Class C was the only one there, did you CotH or did you foot race? Since clearly CotHing is a Taken invention and not something condoned by Class C unless absolutely necessary?

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't have enough Clarks in our guild. Players who can sit at a single camp for 2 months straight farming pixels :/.

But seriously. We tried for one FFA Trak, we don't have the depth of poopsocks you do to be competitive on it. Literally both TMO and IB have 2 mages on poop mountain with 2 more at zone in so that once it spawns you almost immediately have 4 CotHers on the mountain ready to get down the rest of your sockers.

If we cannot get Trakanon, we cannot get VP keys. If we cannot get VP keys the largest benefit to being in Class C is moot. We would get 2 Class C/FFAs on repops totalling 4 a month, far less than what we get in FFA and Class R currently. So it would yield less targets, alienate our more casual players, and burn out our more hardcore players. It's clearly a terrible choice currently.

Remove poopsocking, we may become competitive on more mobs like Trak that may end up pushing us into Class C... But right now we can only really sock VS and only during advantageous windows. Thus why you didn't see us at 4 AM for FFA VS.

Even then I think the VS socking done by us (and Class C) is retarded. Having 3 warriors and 2 clerics auto running into a wall for 16 hours is so dumb, and needs to be eradicated. Which is why I only pop in for 5 min at a time to rebuff. I just happened to be present for the last two when I was rebuffing on my cleric.

You want to see Taken in Class C, oblige Derubael, come up with some ways to get rid of poop socking and CotH FTEs, reduce variance so that windows are smaller and the time commitment to staring at a track box or camping out your main toon are limited and maybe after a few more months Taken may be ready to take that step.

By the way, my question was ignored. 4 AM VS, Class C was the only one there, did you CotH or did you foot race? Since clearly CotHing is a Taken invention and not something condoned by Class C unless absolutely necessary?

Quit making sense. Also, can you explain why someone would auto run for the whole window?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quit making sense. Also, can you explain why someone would auto run for the whole window?

To quite literally hit the ground running.

They coordinate with the Mage so that they are facing the direction that will, once CotH'd, put them running directly into/near the mob in question so that they can FTE.

In VS the mage faces VS room and warrior runs into a wall so that once summoned they run into his room without having to start moving or turn after he disorientation of being summoned across the zone.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by eqmaze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kunark is Full, if there are 600 people lv 50+ there are ONLY so many mobs to go around.

Don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on this.

Someone is always going to be unhappy with the situation. The original intent of this thread was to make sure that the unhappy ones weren't Derubael and company.

He asked us to stop socking. So let's agree to stop that. I see three options for this.

1. Allow only 2 in zone to foot race or 2 foot racers and a tracker. Maintain C/R/FFA. -- Removes socking but adds further rules that limit who can exp where, and more petition quest on whether that person was really in designated start line or not.
2. C/R rotation with FFA respawn -- removes CotH socking since Class C has agreed to no CotH. FFA respawn means Class R guilds can partake more in respawns and it will spread out more (at the cost of Class C losing some targets, unless they decide to agree to not VP until they both bag limit or slake their open world dragon lust)
3. Removal of all respawns, replace with simulated respawns which function like windows currently but spawns everything simultaneously randomly so that no point to track or sock. Simulation server repops would still occur randomly on top of these at completelt random times. Whereas the simulated respawns would just be like windows that spawn everything simultaneously. Agree to not poopsock your #1 target during this window too.

He indicated variance is more likely to increase and become even more neckbeardy and alienate casuals from raiding by putting in a larger more tedious window. Let's show him that we can come to an agreement that is agreeable to all Classes, that would warrant a reduction of variance by the removal of poopsocking on this server. So that if you want to attend all the respawns and you don't have to spend 3 days making yourself available. You can spend an afternoon or evening with smaller windows.

[maestrom]

Non-raider here just watching the drama.

What is CoTH ducking?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't have enough Clarks in our guild. Players who can sit at a single camp for 2 months straight farming pixels :/.

But seriously. We tried for one FFA Trak, we don't have the depth of poopsocks you do to be competitive on it. Literally both TMO and IB have 2 mages on poop mountain with 2 more at zone in so that once it spawns you almost immediately have 4 CotHers on the mountain ready to get down the rest of your sockers.

If we cannot get Trakanon, we cannot get VP keys. If we cannot get VP keys the largest benefit to being in Class C is moot. We would get 2 Class C/FFAs on repops totalling 4 a month, far less than what we get in FFA and Class R currently. So it would yield less targets, alienate our more casual players, and burn out our more hardcore players. It's clearly a terrible choice currently.

Remove poopsocking, we may become competitive on more mobs like Trak that may end up pushing us into Class C... But right now we can only really sock VS and only during advantageous windows. Thus why you didn't see us at 4 AM for FFA VS.

Even then I think the VS socking done by us (and Class C) is retarded. Having 3 warriors and 2 clerics auto running into a wall for 16 hours is so dumb, and needs to be eradicated. Which is why I only pop in for 5 min at a time to rebuff. I just happened to be present for the last two when I was rebuffing on my cleric.

You want to see Taken in Class C, oblige Derubael, come up with some ways to get rid of poop socking and CotH FTEs, reduce variance so that windows are smaller and the time commitment to staring at a track box or camping out your main toon are limited and maybe after a few more months Taken may be ready to take that step.

By the way, my question was ignored. 4 AM VS, Class C was the only one there, did you CotH or did you foot race? Since clearly CotHing is a Taken invention and not something condoned by Class C unless absolutely necessary?

Good post. The problem is what someone mentioned earlier in this thread or another one recently. If you guys can spend time on your 6th or 7th alt same as us, or hardcore farm which you can't say Taken doesn't do, then you surely have time to guild PL some mages. Excuses man, but not a bad post.

For God sake, I mean BDA has been on the server longer than most guilds. They should have guild mages by now as well.

As far as Trakanon goes I preferred logging in at Ledge and not making it a COTH war. Was much more enjoyable.

[thieros]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Non-raider here just watching the drama.

What is CoTH ducking?

when a raid mob is in window, use a mage to face track the mob while other guildies (probably a warrior or bard) are in your group sitting an acceptable sockline (probably autorunning into the corner so you can afk fte). perpetually cast CoTH and duck it at the last second for the entirety of the window. recast and repeat. When the mob spawns, dont duck coth. instead it lands and boom you have an FTE non tracker warrior able to stall/pull within seconds (if that) of the mob spawning