Lols TMO

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Answer one simple question for me Chest. What did BDA lose that was meaningful that needs to be replaced ? You seem to think TMO as a whole needs to lose something meaningful for the actions of one player then by all means lets make it equal to what you lost. So tell us what you lost...besides your temper again.

Man you have some nerve! You want Chest tocome answer "one simple question" while the whole time you have side stepped mine.

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since TMO still wont address the issue let me ask in a much easier way for you to understand.....

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event?

Before you go saying there was no 'role", watch the video again, and watch the ooc communication.

Then we get to the part where Unbrella is an officer of TMO, and why the entire guild should be sanctioned.

Now Lazie, you fucking hypocrite. lets try this again, and I can keep posting it to make sure you somehow missed in your previous readings (like that could even be possible)

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

Its really not that difficult of a question, please post if you are still having difficulty in comprehension.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man you have some nerve! You want Chest tocome answer "one simple question" while the whole time you have side stepped mine.




Now Lazie, you fucking hypocrite. lets try this again, and I can keep posting it to make sure you somehow missed in your previous readings (like that could even be possible)

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

Its really not that difficult of a question, please post if you are still having difficulty in comprehension.

Already answered that before. Not my fault you can't keep up with the BS you spew and the responses it gets.

[JayN]

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

yes he tried to resolve this issue and was told to fuck off.

How about this do you support/condone/defend Chest your guild leaders actions or behavior ?

answer that smartass

[hatelore]

Jayn, stfu and go do meth. Ban tmo 2014~

[quido]

Chest is a great man

[hatelore]

You got that right, quido is on the side of the rightous. Pras for choosing wisely and correctly.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jayn, stfu and go do meth. Ban tmo 2014~

solid answer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[quido]

Chest's mom got raped by Henry Rollins.

[Gaffin 7.0]

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[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is why TMO should be raid banned, the intentional training is a bannable offense, and should be dealt with.

BUT the Fact that a TMO officer was present, did nothing to stop/hinder/or correct the actions of their guild member is PATHETIC!. Nothing will ever change if this is not addressed.

Unbrella got snarky, and that was the wrong thing, but that should carry no penalty or punishment. It just means he acted like an ass. If you've been paying attention, you'd notice that we have dealt with the offender. The presence of an officer is meaningless if there was no real way to prevent the train. If he knew it was going to happen or if he ordered it, that'd be one thing. Here, someone took the matter into their own hands and ran off the rails. There's nothing that Unbrella could have realistically done to foresee this.

Originally Posted by VANVEM

The GM's want people to work things out on their own? FINE!

The implement a policy that makes GM intervention on punishments 10X greater if they are forced to intervene.

Then we end up in a situation where one party, with little to lose, holds the greater party hostage (see Catherin & raid discussions).

Originally Posted by VANVEM

TMO is derailing the topic because they do not want to talk about the issue that Umbrella was present and if not actively participate in the planning of, then at least guilty of promoting the train after the fact.

If I say I think someone deserved something does that make me responsible for it? While it's certainly poor taste to pop off as an officer, getting lippy doesn't mean that you should retroactively be considered the cause of something.

Originally Posted by VANVEM

THAT should merit sanctions on its own. if the "Top" guild on the server has LOSERS running it, then the entire guild should pay for the actions of said officer, and that goes for every guild, you want to name an officer and follow them, then pay the price.

just as in RL leaders are responsible for the actions of their subordinates, whether or not they had previous knowledge or not.

In real life, supervisors are responsible for the actions that are within the scope of the underling's duties. When Chest finally snaps and shoots a bunch of people while wearing his work uniform no one will be able to sue Burger King. Shooting people isn't something the management would put him up to nor is it something they should have foreseen. The only responsibility on Burger King is to say "Woah, yeah, he's crazy. GTFO."

That's precisely what happened here. Dinacarl went too far, and the guild has dealt with him.

I find it hilarious how willing people are to attach severe liability to situations that are clearly beyond the control of the ostensibly supervisory parties. If the guild leadership helps someone break the rules, or if they knew or should have known that something bad would happen then you can attach liability. If they refused to discipline the person then you can consider action, especially if that person screws up again after the leadership agreed to continue housing that person.

Originally Posted by VANVEM

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

Stop setting up a false narrative. You're framing the issue as if Unbrella has done something actionable. He got mouthy, but he still was clearly making himself available for honest attempts at resolution. Unbrella did not train BDA. There is one crime here, and it was punished to the maximum extent within TMO's power.