Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion) - Page 24

Wildino · #1 08-05-2013, 07:08 AM

The only special flag GMs did on live about VP is they will not rescue any corpse/group/guild dead there. And this was a previous warning, before any guild was able to enter in VP.

You TMO's are pathetics. No need to provide a proof that training was not allowed in the past, that's a standard EQ rule. YOU must provide a proof that's SoE/verant allowed it in VP. Where is it ?

I dont fucking understand P99 GM's here. The only reason i see behind is RMT. Tell me another reason to keep things like this ?

Tasslehofp99 · #2 08-05-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only special flag GMs did on live about VP is they will not rescue any corpse/group/guild dead there. And this was a previous warning, before any guild was able to enter in VP.

You TMO's are pathetics. No need to provide a proof that training was not allowed in the past, that's a standard EQ rule. YOU must provide a proof that's SoE/verant allowed it in VP. Where is it ?

I know, right!

Sckrilla · #3 08-05-2013, 07:10 AM

Man I lvled Netta up just to play in train warz with FE because I was tired of sitting around for 8 hours twiddling my thumbs and pre-camping. Then I hit 60 and FE doesn't even want to play in VP anymore... =\ They just grief train with absolutely no intent to engage dragons for hours on end. Silly.

falkun · #4 08-05-2013, 07:51 AM

I hear a lot of "VP is true competition" going around in this thread. Its only true competition because its the closest thing to PVP the Blue server has. I told TMO to go to Red99 a long time ago if they wanted competition, because there you can actually engage your opponent instead of the "push them off the ledge" PVP we have here (good analogy whomever wrote it). Brutillus' analogy of playing an FPS PVP with all the weapons banned also fits really well. If you want competition, go to a server where all players (and not just 3-4 classes) can engage in the competition.

The only reason the server's raid scene sucks is because the players make it suck. Even if training remained legal in VP, if the server's players were reasonable people from the internet of the early 2000's instead of 2013 internet dickwads, there would be zero problems with the raid scene without a single rule change. Europa publicly apologizing for Ragefire a month ago, BDA splitting raid targets with the server during TMO's last suspension, and the server-wide Ragefire agreement were all fantastic examples of hope for the server, regardless of what official rules exist from CSR. The problem is there is precisely one guild (and friends within said guild insist its even just a subset of that guild) are content being internet dickwads, and this server can only be as strong as its weakest link.

The best thing to come out of this thread is that I followed Ele's advice.

Ele · #5 08-05-2013, 09:48 AM

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The best thing to come out of this thread is that I followed Ele's advice.

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Nirgon · #6 08-05-2013, 10:36 AM

VP and Sleeper's were no CSR involvement zones. The rule here isn't "training allowed in VP" the rule is "no CSR involvement in VP". This is classic.

Ele · #7 08-05-2013, 10:45 AM

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VP and Sleeper's were no CSR involvement zones. The rule here isn't "training allowed in VP" the rule is "no CSR involvement in VP". This is classic.

Did you read the thread dude?

GMs said that the P99 rule has nothing to do with the non-CSR zone/guidebook from live.

Just as an exercise, since the guidebook doesn't have relevance to this discussion. Let's apply the guidebook to P99. We find that non-CSR zones included Plane of Hate, Fear, Sky, Growth, Mischief, and ToV in addition to VP/Sleeper's. Using that same logic applied in the quote above, would mean these zones would also be hands off and anything goes. But you can't really do that when you see what the "Exception Incidents" (Abuse, Disruption, or Exploitation) and those exceptions allow CSR intervention. Training clearly falls within the scope of "abuse" and "disruption".

Abuse is defined as any activity that is exercised with the intent of disrupting the over all play environment of one or more players.
Disruption is defined as any activity that is disruptive to the game play of others, though not necessarily with the intent to do so. Disruption has been sub-categorized into major and minor types.