Disappointed Cleric

[Loftus]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't really care about any of the stuff in this thread, but seeing this has put me in a foul mood.

Jeremy, I am not a fan of yours, but I have to admit - this made me laugh. Good one.

[Freakish]

I was with bashyr, trying to help...I want to say tierael. The bda cleric. What bash said is how it boils down. They said he could have pearl, we stopped moving (which would not have mattered, we weren't close enough to beat them) and they just lol'd after RF died.

[Signal]

Originally Posted by bizzum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As stated earlier, I've helped many people and allowed other groups to achieve their long-awaited epic and their major in game goal. I don't think this one instance can assume the generalization that I don't care about other players. I think, too, that *most* people here realize this.

Like I said, even offered to notify them when I saw RF up the next time, and probably would have offered to help kill it then too! That's not the text you want to read, though.

Please... You are consistently at Ragefire with your little friends pretending like you own the spawn. You exact quotes to me were "Why should we allow you to spawn Ragefire when you guys got the last one". Acting like the spawn was your to dictate what people could or couldn't do with it. You may have helped someone when it benefited you before (Exp: You got a shot at loot that dropped off Ragefire by helping). But the times we had forces down there to kill it without your assistance on more than one occasion you act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to be there and spawn it.

Heck you and your own friends there admitted you did it solely for the PP... Which is fine I see nothing wrong with people spawning ragefire for loot.... When there isn't people there who have the force to kill it before you and actually need it for their epic. Like it has been pointed out Ragefire spawns a lot in a weekly span. Yet when you and your buddies see a raid force there before you (On several occasions now obviously) and it seems you can't weasel your way into a role of "Helping out" for loot.... You act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to spawn it. Don't try to act valiant when several people have seen how you have acted down there.

[Safon]

Wow, Zanderr turned to the darkside? Sad days [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] dude used to be a cool down to earth person, did not expect the pixel addiction to take him

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Safon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, Zanderr turned to the darkside? Sad days [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] dude used to be a cool down to earth person, did not expect the pixel addiction to take him

what?

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what?

Being friends with me is not allowed.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there are two groups of people who came to this server.

The first group thought 'oh man oh man. I wasted so much time in college playing this game. It's going to be fun to relive some memories! And I'll be able to see some zones that I didn't get to see before.'

And the second group thought 'oh man oh man. This time I can actually get all that gear that I never got on live. I can be the uber one, just like Guild X that cockblocked me on live'.

lol

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please... You are consistently at Ragefire with your little friends pretending like you own the spawn. You exact quotes to me were "Why should we allow you to spawn Ragefire when you guys got the last one". Acting like the spawn was your to dictate what people could or couldn't do with it. You may have helped someone when it benefited you before (Exp: You got a shot at loot that dropped off Ragefire by helping). But the times we had forces down there to kill it without your assistance on more than one occasion you act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to be there and spawn it.

Heck you and your own friends there admitted you did it solely for the PP... Which is fine I see nothing wrong with people spawning ragefire for loot.... When there isn't people there who have the force to kill it before you and actually need it for their epic. Like it has been pointed out Ragefire spawns a lot in a weekly span. Yet when you and your buddies see a raid force there before you (On several occasions now obviously) and it seems you can't weasel your way into a role of "Helping out" for loot.... You act like you own the spawn and people need your permission to spawn it. Don't try to act valiant when several people have seen how you have acted down there.

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[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Safon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, Zanderr turned to the darkside? Sad days [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] dude used to be a cool down to earth person, did not expect the pixel addiction to take him

I dunno man. I try to do what I find fun, and 95% of the time it doesn't interfere with anyone else.

I think every situation should be evaluated case by case, and in my opinion, I think this problem is between Zagum and the original poster because I don't know the full story. I can see how it is a bummer that the original poster didn't get his epic, but I don't know that I necessarily find it problematic that Zagum frequently does the camp to sell the item for money. Should Zagum have backed down if someone else was doing Ragefire for their epic...I'm not sure? In some regards, some might consider this to be like the Fungi camp; I've never been able to do it, nor will I ever be a desirable class for the camp because only duos and trios seem to do it. However, some people do it a lot and make a fair amount of money off it that allows them to purchase best in slot items. Would getting one Fungi make a great deal of difference to my bank account and the equipment I could afford on the server, yes. However, I don't plan on being eligible for the Fungi camp anytime soon. I know this isn't a perfect analogy, but in my opinion, it's somewhat similar.

Hopefully, the original poster gets the epic soon and maybe can work something out with whoever might be in the lair planning to do a Ragefire spawn if they are doing it for loot/cash instead of the actual epic piece.

However why I'm really responding to your message is the pixel addicted part. To say I'm pixel addicted is a bit of an overstatement I think, and in fact, that statement bothers me a great deal, as I highly value my reputation with friends and acquaintances on this server. Sure, I try to upgrade my character, but I've never stepped on someone else to do it. I believe I have played completely fair in all situations. I can think of one time I participated in a sort of poopsock situation, and the mob never spawned.

I'm not defending anyone or anything that took place, but I don't think that anyone on this thread knows the full story from all sides...this includes the participants that night. Furthermore, I don't think any post on this thread will change anyone's opinions about individuals, guilds, or this event; people have their predetermined opinions before even posting. In my opinion, the best way to win these forum post wars is to just not participate at all; I can't think of a time I've ever read a forum post and thought to myself, "Wow, I really think differently about things with much greater clarity."

Regardless, I'm the same person I've always been, and I view everyone on this server in the best possible light I can. I am friends with people in all guilds and have no quarrels with anyone on the server. I might butt heads with people sometimes, but I think at the end of the day, I firmly believe that most people here are good people, just sometimes competition over content brings out the rougher sides.

Good luck to the original poster, and if you need a bard to play resists when you attempt Ragefire, let me know.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Arrisard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll bite.

People like Loraen think there are only two kinds of people that play on this server, and it seems a lot of people share his sentiment. The good and the bad, the black and the white, casual and harcore, whatever stupid labels you wish to put on it. The reality is that there are thousands of shades of grey, and there's one for every single person that logs on. People seem to expect others just kowtow to their set of arbitrary unspoken rules without question everytime another person comes around. And when people don't agree with their unspoken expectations, man, get those pitchforks and banhammers ready for those unemployed basement dwelling sociopaths. If you don't give me what I want, you've got the mind of an immature teenager rebelling against his parents.

Yeah, you can keep that "maturity" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real thing I find immature is that people can't handle disappointment in the 14 year old elf simulator, especially this one. But that's how it is and always will be; the ones who can just say "Gee whiz, I guess I'll have learn and do better next time" and move on right then and there. Those people don't come to the forums with a wall of text of how sad they are over the mean man who didn't give them what they wanted when they wanted because they said so. It happens on every level, from Pyzjn to Phinni to Phara Dar. Some will come screaming for blood, wanting accounts banned, guilds disbanded, banks wiped, characters deleveled, you fuckin' name it just so they don't have to suffer the absolute injustice of not getting what they feel you should be giving them.

And you know what, I feel for OP. I really do, I've been there; everyone has. Anyone who tells you they've never lost to someone better, faster, or just plain luckier on this server is absolutely full of shit or they haven't stepped out of their newb zone for longer than 5 minutes. It's part of the game as it stands, classic or unclassic, better or worse. I learned a long time ago that you win some and lose some and there is always tomorrow; and in the case of Ragefire, that is literally the case.

But that's the way it is in both life and apparently online video games as well. Everyone thinks they got it figured out, that their set of unspoken rules are somehow worth more than everyone else's.

You can justify it any way you want, but in the end it's all it is; bullshit justifications. For example, people like to point out it's for a MAIN as opposed to someone's bank account. I don't really feel your, or my, pixels are more more deserving. Doesn't matter if it's for my bank account, my 10th alt, or your first and only character. I only deserve what I put into the character, I don't try and conjure up some bullshit reasons why my pixels are oh so more important than yours. I don't feel there isn't really anything to understand more then that, you feel one way and I feel another. Main vs alts, nb4g, whatever.

You all can cut up my post and respond meticulously how wrong I am, that you're right and that's all there is to it. But none of that even really matters in the end. It doesn't matter how many corpses you drag out of places, how far you go out of your way to res someone, how many items you hand out in EC, how much you help your fellow player. There are always going to be people arbitrarily shunning you for breaking their own made up rules and niceties no matter what you do. So I don't understand how this is so hard to grasp; You don't care about others judging you for what you are doing you feel is right or fair, in the exact same sense your judgements roll off my back, and the ones I pass on to others so on and so forth. All the way up and down the entire expanse of opinions of the entire playerbase.

TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R So keep your grudges and crusades, cling to the self righteous tears, bitch and moan that life isn't fair and you deserve more. We're all a bunch of self righteous fucksticks to some degree who really have no room to talk about who deserves what in the end.

Actually, if you comprehend my posts, you'd see I'm one of the people trying to understand both sides.

Sorry that hit a nerve.