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[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...Ledge+amelinda


The staff feels that this trivializes the zone and content. The way the dragons are being pulled is also causing them to path through the walls. This significantly reduces the potential for adds and further trivializes content. The "trash mobs" in Veeshan's Peak are intended to be part of the challenge of the zone.


The very next post. Is TMO bitching. The * Denotes my analysis of the post.


This has to be a joke Amelinda.
A) mobs do not add anywhere in the zone if pulled properly *aka exploit pulled*
B) this spot isnt used to trivilaze the encounter it is used to stop other guilds from using an exploit to harras other guilds. *aka prevent training*
C) Refere to A *not clever*
D) hi, i miss you changing me into a gnome. that is all *pandering*
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I propose training trash in VP is harassing other guilds. I propose pulling VP dragons through walls/geometry is exploiting. I propose if one rule is made and followed in VP, then it is opened to more rules. If the rules are in place Amelinda(former GM) made about VP then rules should be enforced about pulling non roaming dragons out of their cubbies. I also thought Ambrotos(former GM) made rulings about Inny /other mobs that prevent them from being pulled to zone ins. Those rules are no longer valid.

for the tldr crowd
A. Either all previous rules made by GM's are enforced, or they are not enforced in regards to VP.
B. If the pathing is exploitable in VP. Then no dragons outside of silverwing/hoskar should be pulled to zone in, as they do not bug out.
C. Boobs, refer to A
D. I miss ambrotos turning into Inny and fake training when people we were doing hate armor raids.

I would love to see a legit vp. Where entire raid corpses rot unless another raid can come bail them out. Planar geared epic characters rotting because the zone is just that tough.

instead we see single pull of named and practically 0 trash being cleared. really just makes vp a joke

[Fountree]

Just found this thread and heard about PD last nite. Went immediately to try to find this post but Ecc beat me haha. Why isn't FE addressing this post? Because to me it looks like your guild broke the raid rules in VP and a guild suspension is probably inc.


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Originally Posted by Eccezan View Post
Given that the kiting rule has been overruled with this new GM change I have a couple questions about some recent rule changes.

1) Using Eye of Zomm wall glitch to zone in to target / train zone in? Is this still illegal?

2) Regarding VP raiding: Is using ledge in the picture room to fight dragons still illegal? Currently guilds are not allowed to position a dragon on the ledge in the picture room and fight him there due to vague "pathing exploits." Given the change in GM's, and the changes to the AE in zone (now outdoor zone, walls do not block AE), the ledge no longer offers any strategic PVE advantage during the actual fight encounter. Are we allowed to position dragons there to fight now?

Eccezan Heds, Officer of The Mystical Order
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Originally Posted by Sirken View Post
patch question people - i dont have much info about the patch respawn stuff. this is more for raid guild interaction so that the staff members dont have to babysit.


Eccezan - 1) yes still illegal. 2) also still illegal. ill talk to Nilbog and Rogean about it though, and if they feel it should be changed, we will change it.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ambrotos' rules were overturned by sirken in a public raid rules post.

So all rules made by AMBROTOS were overturned, but not Amelinda in regards to VP? Seems selective, especially since VP is supposed to be a non intervention zone, and every other zone is. Sirken seems more hardcore and less interventionist when it comes to these type of things. Does not seem his style. He seems a more kill or be killed type of GM.

If rules in VP are still in place, then rules can be made in VP. Did they ever patch the memblur thing? I assume not.

Here i will copy and paste my previous point in RNF speak

A. MAKE CLEAR RULES AND FOLLOW THEM FAGGOT
B. PULLING DRAGONS THROUGH WALLS IS EXPLOITING FAGGOTS
C. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] REFER TO A
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[Fountree]

Radditsu: see my last post. Sirken specifically talks about ledge pulling there lol there's no doubt that it's clear. Keep ignoring.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sigh @ Radditsu.
Keep Crying Wolf And Twisting Information To Suit You.

a) If Invis Pulling Was Fixed, Mobs On Separate Factions Would Still Come Solo, Aka Vp Dragons. (Not Exploit, Classic)
b) stuDy Your Server History Little Buddy, This Was Done To Prevent The Vd GrIefers (Your More Talented Elders) From MeM Blurring Our Dragons Back To Full Hp, Not To Prevent Training.

A) Yes If arrows worked like classic a SK could pull anything solo anywhere. Doesn't make it a bad idea
B) I guess preventing trains was just a nice little side effect ?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by bouncerr 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

The resolution on those boobs was such an awesome unintentional side effect.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So all rules made by AMBROTOS were overturned, but not Amelinda in regards to VP? Seems selective, especially since VP is supposed to be a non intervention zone, and every other zone is. Sirken seems more hardcore and less interventionist when it comes to these type of things. Does not seem his style. He seems a more kill or be killed type of GM.

Ambrotos' rules were removed because they made little sense. How long does FE think they can keep playing the "ignorance" card?

[radditsu]

More bitching

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...Ledge+amelinda


Amelinda:

VP is a non GM intervention zone as far as raid interference goes.

It doesn't give you a pass for exploiting or for trivializing raid content.

nice try though.

If you think i'm being unfair then please feel free to PM nilbog and/or rogean. and / or myself.

however i can tell you all that sitting here in public hurling insults and being disrespectful just doesn't give me the warm fuzzy feeling of "Gee, you are right"

Sooo quit putting words in my mouth. and re-read what i said.
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If pathing dragons through walls to avoid adds is "exploiting" (hint: it is) or trivializing raid content (hint: it is). Then every VP capable guild has been exploiting for at least a year. Phara dar ping pongs down and ports herself through a wall to zone in, or even to ledge. Nothing has been done in either TMO's case or FE's case. If previous (amelinda's) rules were being enforced at least one of these should have been a suspension/public admonishment by GM's.

If pathing is hard to deal with, and dragon/large mob pathing seems a little wonky on the server, why not "test" Dozekar's leash on phara dar ^_^.

Personally, every time I am in VP it never passes the "Feel" test for me. Something about it seems wrong compared to live.

Also I want to note I am not calling any GM out about this. I also am not calling any developer out about this. I would prefer if this could be settled in game. I just want to point some things out for everyone to see just how arbitrary it is in VP

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ambrotos' rules were removed because they made little sense. How long does FE think they can keep playing the "ignorance" card?

Conjecture. Just because things made little sense to your world, does not mean they made little sense to others. Quit showing your "bias" Alarti.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ambrotos' rules were removed because they made little sense. How long does FE think they can keep playing the "ignorance" card?

Sorry for triple post but also 63 (64 now?)phara dar's in a row does not allow you to play an ignorance card. A guild who is barely starting VP raiding should be allowed a slight bit of leeway when it comes to the minutiae of the RULES of a zone that apparently should not have any rules.