Best 4 person all caster/priest group - Page 239

Ripqozko · #**2381** 09-09-2022, 11:39 PM

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can't wait for Allishias DPS parse dropping event

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She will never post any, she will get tied up trying to tank mystical dragons drunk.

Chortles Snortles · #**2382** 09-10-2022, 12:18 AM

oh no

Karanis · #**2383** 09-10-2022, 05:40 AM

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DeathsSilkyMist · #**2384** 09-10-2022, 10:06 AM

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You guys think he's pretending to be busy irl like he said earlier? He's obviously still online and reading all this

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and then he goes offline. Weird coincidence.

This is honestly the saddest and creepiest post I have seen here. You are the one that needs a break.

To accommodate said break, I will not be posting again until someone can do the following:

1. Show my data is invalid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-g8Ywibztg , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E , and the math provided here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...postcount=1774

2. Provide DPS data for Mages that is different enough from Troxx's.

3. Show why saving 5 seconds on a kill is going to help the group in a meaningful way.

None of these points have happened in this bloated thread, regardless of how many times the trolls will claim they have.

Everybody has agreed the fourth player's DPS is irrelevant in an Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric/<insert class> group. This is what I said on Page 2:

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The Enchanters are providing the vast majority of the DPS via charmed pets. The Mage pet isn't doing that much hehe. Shamans can do fine DPS-wise.

If you do what I suggested on page 1 and swap an Enchanter for a Necro, your DPS will still be fine:

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Shaman Enchanter Enchanter Cleric. If you are planning on doing Fungi Tunic camp then probably swap 1 Enchanter for a Necro, so they can pull.

Everybody has agreed what the Mage brings to the table is simply CoTH and a little bit of extra DPS. I also said this on page 2:

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Having mana sitting is good when Charm can break at any time[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Your group is dead if you can't control the situation. Shaman gives you much better consistency, and you don't really lose DPS when compared to a Mage.

Mage is better before level 60 or if you need CoTH.

The trolls have already admitted they are trolling, and only want to "win" against me because it matters to them for some silly reason. That is not how debate or truth works.

As I summarized before, the question is simply do you want a faster leveling experience from 1-60 (Mage), or better ability to do camps at level 60 (Shaman)? I prefer the Shaman, because leveling from 1-60 with a four caster group is going to be fast enough. The Mage simply doesn't offer enough at the end, when people are farming items. The only exception to this is if you are planning on doing camps where CoTH can help. If this is the case though, you can still do Shaman/Enchanter/Necro/Mage for the maximum ability to do any camp you desire, while still DPSing fine. People think pocket clerics are silly for some reason, but it isn't hard to level a cleric to 49 for the 90% res and Complete Healing between four players. A pocket cleric would go great with the Shaman/Enchanter/Necro/Mage combo, as you can switch to it for reses and healing the pets with CH as necessary.

Finally, the reason why DPS isn't as important as people claim is due to DPS breakpoints. Here is an example:

If a group has 100 DPS, a mob with 8000 HP will die in 80 seconds.

If a group has 200 DPS, a mob with 8000 HP will die in 40 seconds.

If a group has 400 DPS, a mob with 8000 HP will die in 20 seconds.

For most level 60 content in the game, 200 DPS is the ideal threshold. As you can see, going from 200 to 400 only gives you half the bonus (20 seconds vs. 40 seconds). You could reach 400 DPS if you did a group with 4x Enchanters, but everybody seems to agree that is too risky. The amount of time you save on kills isn't worth the added risk of dying. People already know that safety is better than DPS in this situation. A group with 2x Enchanters and a group with an Enchanter/Mage/Necro/Shaman will hit the 200 DPS threshold. Luckily it is not a tough threshold to hit.

There will be a bunch of silly posts after this I predict.

Gloomlord · #**2385** 09-10-2022, 10:08 AM

Yes, we're all trolls. Every single one of us.

Keep telling yourself those lies -- maybe you'll stop hating yourself as much?

Toxigen · #**2386** 09-10-2022, 10:20 AM

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He's so obsessed with shamans he's suggesting they be part of the best overall 4 man caster group (including 1-60) solely for ixiblat and ww dragons lol.

How can you reason with someone this detached from reality?

You should see him defend SK. Equally hilarious.

PlsNoBan · #**2387** 09-10-2022, 11:14 AM

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Blah blah blah blah blah lots of meaningless words all trying to deflect from the fact that I contradicted myself and invalidated my own argument and now I'm trying to pretend I didn't

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He's now admitted that mage is better at royals and necro is better at fungi king. He's basically just clinging on to shaman being helpful for ixiblat and maybe like WW dragons? He's backed himself into a very tiny corner with his own words at this point. Would ANYBODY base their entire group makeup for 1-60 and beyond around what class makes more sense for Ixiblat? Or would you take a mage/necro that makes more sense in the vast majority of cases? I played actively on blue for YEARS and I think I killed Ixiblat like twice.

This thread really should be over. I know it won't end. But DSM literally backed himself into a tiny corner and the floor has fallen out beneath him. He's dangling by a thread and is going to continue to argue from there I'm sure.

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I said all of this before, you just aren't reading, as usual. You simply have this strange straw man that I am obsessed with Shamans.

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Okay so we've established shaman has no place in this hypothetical best 4 man caster group outside of a niche mob or two. You keep bringing up Ixiblat which is one of very few situations where I think shaman might be helpful.

There ya have it boys and girls. If you want the best 4 man caster group for Ixiblat and maybe 1-2 other things put a shaman in there. For 1-60 and 95% of everything else at 60 pick something else.

End of thread.

I'm sorry that shaman is only the right choice in extremely niche situations. I know how much you would enjoy it if shaman was part of the best overall 4 man caster/priest group. Unfortunately they are not by your own admission. Everyone else already knew this. Took you over 700 posts to accidentally admit it but now that we're here you can finally stop posting. We all know for absolute certain now that you're completely full of shit if you continue trying to argue the same argument you already admitted you were wrong about.

I hope you take an indefinite break from this thread until people do whatever dumb shit you asked them to do. Nobody is ever gonna do it and they don't have to. You thoroughly lost the argument. We can all agree to be done here now. If someone posts asking about the best 4 man caster group for ixiblat then we can re-visit this issue.

Allishia · #**2388** 09-10-2022, 12:30 PM

DeathsSilkyMist · #**2389** 09-10-2022, 01:02 PM

Thanks for the data! I'll get the logs from you a bit later today. Just looking at it here, the numbers are the same as Troxx's data. This was a level 60 water pet?

Ripqozko · #**2390** 09-10-2022, 01:03 PM

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Inb4 this is invalid and your parses mean nothing -DSM