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[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats because you posted a rapid fire barrage of talking points without much detail and thought reinforcing them. Lets start over again. Youve stated 4 positions. Lets start with one.

Explain, in detail, how you intend to:

"Improve healthcare": please be sure to detail how personal accountability toward individuals adopting a concientiously healthy lifestyle is part of it. The right does not want to share the healthcare costs of sipporting morbidly obese america.

But....have you seen the rates of obesity in many many parts of rural America where the majority of people vote Republican?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Please define "The right" a little better for me.

How are premiums going to remain cost-effective and profitable/break evenable even if we outright publicize the healthcare insurance industry.

Well, I'm not sure because the healthcare industry would have to go through a tremendous change if we became single-payer. I'm not afraid of tremendous changes with the goal of taking care of everyone's health. (Including the wealthy). Our corrupt politicians supposedly get free health care(is it for life?) that is pretty good for them. I think with easier access to primary providers more often with primary providers getting more hand-on with peoples' diets & exercise routines, we could all become healthier. Maybe our doctors should shame people by asking obese people regularly something along the lines of "Do you really want to die 20 years younger?" or "not see your grandchildren grow up?"

Yes, a lot of tremendous and sky-high profits would drop. There is a lot of space between profitability and "Holy shit!! we made this much $$$$ this year!"

How are the asking prices of healthcare services going to be kept reasonable without competition?

I'm not an expert on the minutiae of this and don't care to be but I have faith that IF WE had smart and honest representatives of us in DC that shared my desire for more effective and universal healthcare, they could work on this together and consult the right experts to figure out the finer details of this stuff. I don't like to dive too deep into fine details that bore me or aren't going to improve my life in some way. I'm not planning to go into government, economics, or the healthcare industry at this point in my life.

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you would greatly benefit from communism, comrade. you are the underclass in our capitalist hellscape.

EXCEPT, YOU FAIL TO REMEMBER THAT EVEN WHEN I WAS FUCKING HOMELESS LIVING IN A TENT WITH A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT AND A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS THERE WAS NOTHING THESE PEICES OF SHIT WOULD DO FOR ME.

THE ONLY WAY OUT WAS ME!!!!!

ITS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE, SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THEY TAKE YOUR FUCKING MONEY FOR! THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE THAT THE MONEY GOES TO. ITS NEVER YOU!!!!!
ITS A FUCKING LIE!

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not an expert on the minutiae of this and don't care to be but I have faith that IF WE had smart and honest representatives of us in DC that shared my desire for more effective and universal healthcare, they could work on this together and consult the right experts to figure out the finer details of this stuff.

Dude, EVEN the experts can't answer these questions. If they could, we would already have the answers to search for and paste in response to these questions.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EXCEPT, YOU FAIL TO REMEMBER THAT EVEN WHEN I WAS FUCKING HOMELESS LIVING IN A TENT WITH A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT AND A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS THERE WAS NOTHING THESE PEICES OF SHIT WOULD DO FOR ME.

THE ONLY WAY OUT WAS ME!!!!!

ITS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE, SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THEY TAKE YOUR FUCKING MONEY FOR! THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE THAT THE MONEY GOES TO. ITS NEVER YOU!!!!!
ITS A FUCKING LIE!

the democrats aren't communists

hope this helps

*saved to disk*

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets drop a suffix in this whole discussion:

What % of YOUR health, is YOUR fault/responsibility/Obligation to cover the costs on?
And
What % of YOUR health, is eveyone else im the country's fault/responsibility/obligation to cover the costs on?

Mind you we've already had measures in place to care for the physically and mentally infirm for the past 50 years. We're talking about YOU and I here.

I dont even have insurance. Havent been able to afford it since ACA, and its cheaper to pay the penalty + buy anitbiotics from the aquatic supply store to keep in cabinet. Used to have comprehensive HMO for 93$/month before ACA with employer matching half.

They want $689 for same plan now and my own employer aint paying for it at all since its now cost prohibitive to offer said plan. He offers a shitty high deductible ppo plan now, that used to cost 35$/month without an employer match for 189$/month after employer pays half.

ACA has been bad for a lot of people and sorry to hear you are one of them! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It's been good for others but for this to happen at the expense of you and many others who aren't incredibly wealthy is very sad and has further divided politics in the USA it seems.

Pre-ACA or Post-ACA...I think we can do much better than either choice with representatives not beholden to wealthy elites. Yes, Citizens United needs to go ASAP because it is a horrible ruling.

[Throndor]

As i've already alluded to with stock buybacks...check this out..


From the end of the Great Depression, when stock buybacks were originally outlawed because of the stock market crash they they took part in causing...the stock valuation of the NYSE was fairly linear all the way until 1980s

In the 1980s, public corporations were de-regulated to be able to buy their own stock back. Ever since then, the stock market valuation has followed a growth pattern that is exponential look at the DJIA and the S&P500 and the trend line for the Nasdaq composite, notice how it exponentially increases and then in 2008/2009 it plummets back down to where the valuation WOULD have been if it continued it's linear trend throughout the 80s and 90s and '00-aughts?

Thats because the true value of stock market growth is a linear function related to inflation and slow market growth.

Now, after 2009 brought the stock market back down to reality look at the growth trend again? Notice how it rapidly regained it's exponential growth nature until now, where it has began rapidly eroding again?

Take a ruler out and apply the linear growth expectation to the stock market.

If economic growth is a linear equation, instead of the exponential equation it has trended along since stock buybacks were deregulated in the 1980s. We're due for a 60 to 65% stock market recession right now.

This is because our politicians ON BOTH SIDES for the past 30 years have been allowing corporations to make a ponzi scheme out of the stock market, because the corporations are giving them a cut.

The average wealth growth of a member of congress in the US is 1.6million$/year, but their salary is $174,000/year.

Where is the additional 1.425million coming from?! This is not a partisan issue.

Voting "Democrat" is not going to solve it, it's just going to further erode your personal liberties.; Their promise has been a lie for the past 30 years. At least the republicans are being honest about robbing you and I but even then we should be voting all these incumbent pieces of shit out of office and supporting TED CRUZ's CAREER ENDING BILL that calls for putting term-limits on congress in both houses. THe left is now OPPOSING term limits because the right is suggesting it. Its fucking ridiculous all these fucking crooks need to be out on their ass.

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a dosingenuous statement. The vast majority of americans, before ACA tripled the price of healthcare premiums were still morbidly obese.

The medical industry cannot fix an overindulgent, compulsive, lethargic lifestyle.

The ACA seemed to mostly just change finacial aspects and nothing very dramatically not connected to finance. I believe our healthcare system needs a much more robust transformation than what the ACA did.

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by misterbonkers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not mine, individually, no. but i think pitching in some of my taxes covering something going wrong for him is perfectly reasonable. because there's way more factors than just poor eating habits that might cause him something that needs health care.

Check my financial disclosure asshole. I do mind paying even 1 dollar more than I'm currently paying this financially incompetent government.

Every fucking dollar is a dollar your taking out of mine and my children's mouth with your retarded ass voting for imaginary people. They aren't giving me a fucking thing, son.

Care to release your financial details before you go spouting bullshit about how everyone should should be able afford your Altruistic faggotry?!

[ScaringChildren]

Conservative PWNS stupid sjw with FACTS and REASON

(he also identifies as a reason)

[Throndor]

As upper-middle class plinks away in their + $100k/year salary with the government telling them sad stories about "poor people" below them to get them to support increasing taxation with the fake promise that it's not going to affect people in my position, they plod onward increasing taxes and literally driving me back down into poverty with increasing taxation.

It's fucking bullshit. They're NOT HELPING US. STOP FUCKING BURYING US WITH YOUR ALTRUISTIC STUPIDITY!!!! STOP BELIEVING THE LEFT's LIES they not giving your (AND MY) taxes to me! ITS NOT HAPPENING.

BOTTOM UP ECONOMICS ISN"T HAPPENING!!!

Youre fucking killing us down here. GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR WAY with your support of MORE taxes! WE"RE NOT EVEN ASKING YOU FOR YOUR FUCKING MONEY. WE JUST WANT TO KEEP OUR MONEY. STOP!