ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is roughly a 0% chance that he will be able to finish this in 2 books. The way he writes and all the crap he has going on is too much. Even if he somehow focuses everything (which would be a foreign invasion from Danny), I just dont see it.

The narrative is already laid out though. Danny will unite the Dothraki Tribes, take back over her city, sail to Westeros where her brother(?)(Griff?) will have recruited Dorn already, Danny will serve justice to all, then Danny will fly her Dragons to the wall and kill all the White Walkers and rule the Seven Kingdoms.

I am curious what role Bran will play in the next book since I feel it will heavily rely on him. IF Jon Snow is actually dead, we will need a new character to follow around on the wall and in the North, but that could easily be Bran

I'm curious about Bran, too. Whole lot of effort expended there and it opens up the mystery and magic of the Old Gods and First Men. There has to be a big pay-off.

Jon won't stay dead. He is Fire and Ice. I think he'll be in the thick of things and tackle the biggest problem(s). However, it would not surprise me if he winds up being the 1000th LC.

I really struggled with fAegon's introduction -- so late for a major plot. But, since reading the Princess and the Queen, I've felt the Targs and Blackfyres will again mount their flamethrowers and duke it out. That's where i think Dany's headed.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really struggled with fAegon's introduction -- so late for a major plot. But, since reading the Princess and the Queen, I've felt the Targs and Blackfyres will again mount their flamethrowers and duke it out. That's where i think Dany's headed.

youre thinking that this will end in another targaryen civil war? Dany vs Aegon? i must say, ill be pretty upset about that. introducing Aegon at this point is just poor writing at this point. either hes real, and you didnt give hints or clues and just forced him on us, or hes fake and will be out of the story soon, essentially being a giant waste of time. the only cool thing about the Aegon story is that im pretty convinced the the septa with them is Ashara Dayne

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

youre thinking that this will end in another targaryen civil war? Dany vs Aegon? i must say, ill be pretty upset about that. introducing Aegon at this point is just poor writing at this point. either hes real, and you didnt give hints or clues and just forced him on us, or hes fake and will be out of the story soon, essentially being a giant waste of time. the only cool thing about the Aegon story is that im pretty convinced the the septa with them is Ashara Dayne

I need to be careful here, as I'm sure you can dunk slam my logic. I highly doubt he is the real Aegon. While I am skeptical about the Illyrio - Blackfyre connection, if it were true, and fAegon is a Blackfyre, that will not stay hidden. I think he's going to gain some popular support, and he might produce a famous sword. By the time Dany gets to Westeros, it will bring them into conflict. Clearly there would be a lot of obstacles to overcome for there to be another literal dance with dragons. But i like the idea, because those two families bring out the crazy in each other!

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I need to be careful here, as I'm sure you can dunk slam my logic. I highly doubt he is the real Aegon. While I am skeptical about the Illyrio - Blackfyre connection, if it were true, and fAegon is a Blackfyre, that will not stay hidden. I think he's going to gain some popular support, and he might produce a famous sword. By the time Dany gets to Westeros, it will bring them into conflict. Clearly there would be a lot of obstacles to overcome for there to be another literal dance with dragons. But i like the idea, because those two families bring out the crazy in each other!

so i'll just start at the top. popular belief is that Aegon is a fake, i subscribe to this as well. but i will admit, its a tough pill to swallow. Jon Connington was Rhaegar's best friend and some folks believe Connington had romantic thoughts about Rhaegar as well. Now we have to remember that Connington was exiled before Aegon would have been killed (Connington was exiled during Roberts Rebellion after the incident at the Stoney Sept). we are never sure when Connington could have discovered that Aegon would have survived, although i wouldnt be shocked if Varys played a role there. but then that all begs the question, 'why?'. why would Illyrio and Varys go to such great lengths to help Aegon? it is implied and assumed that the clothes given to Tyrion by Illyrio in season 5 are the former clothes of Aegon from his time with Illyrio. He definitely could produce a missing valyrian steel sword (maybe Blackfyre or Dark Sister (altho its possible the 3 eyed raven has dark sister), or possible the missing Lannister blade of Brightroar). as much as GRRM loves history, and as cyclical as history is, another "dance of the dragons" isnt really possible when only one side has dragons. that said, i really do think its possible for Aegon to be a blackfyre, and i think its possible Aegon and Dany hookup to reunite the greens and the blacks and end the feud once and for all.

[Sirken]

Jon isn't dead. hes literally the only character with plot armor in the whole story.

while i dont disagree with you that it cant be finished correctly in 2 books, thats not what i'm trying to say. what im saying is that i dont think he'll every write/finish book 7. i think the only reason we'll get book 6 is because so much is already done. but i dont expect book 6 to be of the same quality.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jon isn't dead. hes literally the only character with plot armor in the whole story.

while i dont disagree with you that it cant be finished correctly in 2 books, thats not what i'm trying to say. what im saying is that i dont think he'll every write/finish book 7. i think the only reason we'll get book 6 is because so much is already done. but i dont expect book 6 to be of the same quality.

I think you mean, he won't stay dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] -- as your resurrection comment implies below. I think his death will have meaning. I concede Melisandre is in place to have a role in resurrection. It might be the only thing she could do to absolve herself given her errors in judgement/fire readings. I would prefer the Old Gods magic play at least some role. Maybe some Wall magic - it was built with blood and magic.

I worry about the completion of the series. But know what else? I'm addicted to the D&E stories right now. Lot of re-re-re-reading. I love Egg's humor and Dunk's honor and steadfastness. The future for more of these not looking so good, either.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you mean, he won't stay dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] -- as your resurrection comment implies below. I think his death will have meaning. I concede Melisandre is in place to have a role in resurrection. It might be the only thing she could do to absolve herself given her errors in judgement/fire readings. I would prefer the Old Gods magic play at least some role. Maybe some Wall magic - it was built with blood and magic.

I worry about the completion of the series. But know what else? I'm addicted to the D&E stories right now. Lot of re-re-re-reading. I love Egg's humor and Dunk's honor and steadfastness. The future for more of these not looking so good, either.

yes correct. wont 'stay' dead. and i too love the D&E stories [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly, can we say the fires were wrong? or did they show her exactly what she needed to see to find Azor Azai?

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes correct. wont 'stay' dead. and i too love the D&E stories [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly, can we say the fires were wrong? or did they show her exactly what she needed to see to find Azor Azai?

I would not say her fires were wrong, but I think we can confidently say she hasn't "read" them right. I like Stannis, and I don't know what he'd done about his claim without her, but she her reading of the flames mislead him.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would not say her fires were wrong, but I think we can confidently say she hasn't "read" them right. I like Stannis, and I don't know what he'd done about his claim without her, but she her reading of the flames mislead him.

100% agreed. and while it sucks for Stannis, Mel was indeed shown everything she needed to see to be guided up to north to find Azor Azai.

Stannis was dumb. he really should have found a way to unite with Renly and Rob. Renly maybe might could have been talked down from the ledge.. but maybe not. Baratheons really are stubborn fickle creatures. but yea, essentially 100% agreed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Spyder73]

The last book was one of my favorites of the entire series, so I don't think the quality will necessarily dip as much as people's expectations will be unrealistic. Everyone is going to be looking for notable deaths in every chapter and thats just not the way these things work. The closing sequence of book 5 was just amazing. Dannys city is going to complete sh!t, she is being ousted as ruler, the locals are taking over, her Dragons are becoming a liability.....and then she rides one off into the middle of the largest Dorthraki horde on the planet and they all kneel and start chanting Khalisee or whatever.

Going to be very disappointed if Jon is not dead. If somehow Bran is the one who gives him life back then I would be OK with it. But as much as GRRM will take things to the mystical realm (especially in the North), the book pretty clearly paints a picture of Snow getting Caser'd to death by an entire group of people, all with daggers. Then again Jon Snow seems to be his favorite character and he has relied HEAVILY on him. Maybe that makes it all the more jarring though. Keeping Jon alive just opens up more story lines to close, so from a completion angle - killing him off makes the most sense, you don't have to answer any questions surrounding him, Ned, Ned's sister, and Rhaegar.


Side note - have you read any of the new Brandon Sanderson books? I think the series is called The Storm Light Archive. I read the first 2 and its as good if not better than GoT.

I didnt start reading until a few years ago, but I have been plowing through books (I read at work and before bed everyday now).

I have completed
Storm Light Archives - 2 books
King Killer Chronicles - 2 books
Game of Thrones - 5 books
Wheel of Time series - 13 books
Malazan Book of the Fallen - on book 9 of 10

EDIT: He will absolutely finish the series - he may wait for HBO to write it for him and then just copy it, but it will definitely get done