Rules clarification

[Relapse1]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really care one way or the other what Trakanon's aggro radius is. I'm just pointing out that "it's like this on AK" hasn't generally been sufficient evidence in itself to enact a development change here.

Like the VP change that was noticed from Eqmac ? or the Plane of Hate change?

[quido]

Maybe AK brought these to attention - clearly many things are the same. But I guarantee you they weren't changed until the devs found sufficient evidence from the era.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said I wanted forced rotations. In fact I don't. I'd hate them. Funny since I never even mentioned the word "rotation" in that post. I'm assuming you made that statement because I'm in Divinity and thus clearly I'm arguing for the same thing Giegue is right? ...

I haven't read the last few pages but for the record I don't like rotations, except on mobs like ragefire and noble dojorn where not having a rotation is just painful for everyone involved. Obviously I don't speak for everyone in the guild either, some people in divinity like rotations too, most probably prefer it to the retardation that regularly occurs in the raid scene on this server, but I personally like to compete over raid mobs. I just don't think the rules encourage any kind of meaningful competition and I think what happened at Trak shows that.

Jeremy brings up a surprisingly good point also - perhaps it isn't really TMO's fault that they invoked a stupid rule, but the fault of whoever came up with the rule. I mean, if there was a rule that anyone whose name starts with "Gie" and ends with "gue" automatically gets a Bard epic and 10 billion plat, I'd take advantage of that rule all day, but it wouldn't be my fault since I didn't write the rule.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Relapse1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like the VP change that was noticed from Eqmac ? or the Plane of Hate change?

VP change was possibly from EQmac (don't remember if anyone mentioned it in the beginning b/c there were a few threads outside of the bug report thread)

Hate needed a change for a long time, it was mentioned long before IB went to EQmac. Sorry.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Azazel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"But thems the rules!" is the cry of a 4 year old. Show some moral autonomy you miserable fucks.

Morals. I like the part where you brought up morals.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Morals. I like the part where you brought up morals.

...Sharing raidmobs in EQ is now a moral issue. Also letting the other team win every now in the NFL would be the gentleman's thing, but y'know, competition.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't read the last few pages but for the record I don't like rotations, except on mobs like ragefire and noble dojorn where not having a rotation is just painful for everyone involved. Obviously I don't speak for everyone in the guild either, some people in divinity like rotations too, most probably prefer it to the retardation that regularly occurs in the raid scene on this server, but I personally like to compete over raid mobs. I just don't think the rules encourage any kind of meaningful competition and I think what happened at Trak shows that.

Jeremy brings up a surprisingly good point also - perhaps it isn't really TMO's fault that they invoked a stupid rule, but the fault of whoever came up with the rule. I mean, if there was a rule that anyone whose name starts with "Gie" and ends with "gue" automatically gets a Bard epic and 10 billion plat, I'd take advantage of that rule all day, but it wouldn't be my fault since I didn't write the rule.

Well, I like rotations. Just not forced rotations. Cause there's a difference. I find the prospect of forced rotations to be stupid. TMO is 100% correct in saying competition is a part of EQ. GM forced rotations would be like having every team in a major sport take turns making goals, then at the end we tell both teams how they're both winners on the inside, like we're all in 1st grade. It removes any form of competition.

Player made rotations on the other hand... player made rotations must be agreed upon by all guilds involved, only lasts until involved guilds get what they want, etc. Has none of the same problems. Player made rotations are, in fact, a part of competition. Usually used in negotiations between guilds. Particularly if one guild holds a mob or zone the other guilds needs, and the other guild also holds a mob or zone that they need etc. I do believe player made rotations should be considered more often. Not as a constant thing, and certainly not every mob/zone at once. But every once in awhile. Take the RF rotation for example.

Also, you know I love ya bro. Wasn't meant to be a hostile quote lol. Was just pointing out that I hadn't even mentioned rotations, yet he assumed that was my whole point. Presumably because of the tag lol.

At any rate, people need to come to some sort of solution soon. I mean, has IB, BDA, or TMO gotten anything accomplished in-game as a direct result of these little internet arguments? Can any of you really say it's been worth it? Well except Stealin, all he needs is the entertainment value lol. But for everyone else? I think someone of authority from each guild involved needs to step up and say "we need to find some way to come to some sort of civil agreement about this and put this to rest so that the rest of our members, and the server as a whole, can continue to enjoy the game".

I know Nilbog is putting some type of rule change together to try and help. And maybe it will. But... what if it doesn't? You guys can't put all your stock into Classic-EQ-Jesus Nilbog or Rogean swooping in to make all the boo-boos go away, especially if it's something that we know nothing about yet. And besides, if fixing this kind of idiotic fighting were THAT easy, Sony would have done it 13 years ago rather than just make instances and put each of the children in their own little corner and call it done. Plus, most importantly, the devs are having a hard enough time creating Velious or, you know, just answering fucking petitions, they don't need to play babysitter too. We're all mature adults here (I would hope). Try and come up with a reasonable solution on your own. Fighting like this isn't moving towards that, it's moving towards turning P99 into 4chan.

[apio]

do yourselves a favor and join us on EQMac, let the TMO Tards rule over an empty server just like the Nihilum Tards do on Red99

[quido]

Originally Posted by Azazel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"But thems the rules!" is the cry of a 4 year old. Show some moral autonomy you miserable fucks.

Lol this is the same guy that hit me up about joining TMO not two days ago. An insufferable twit from the beginning, he wasn't too pleased when I told him his character probably had too much sketchy history to join our great guild!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Relapse1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like the VP change that was noticed from Eqmac ? or the Plane of Hate change?

Or the easier combat table change on EQmac a la PoP