student loans are a hit!

[Lune]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or I’ve heard the poverty always creates crime argument but after numerous periods of extreme poverty in history like the Great Depression, there weren’t giant crime wave spikes to my knowledge

So poverty is a contributing factor, never a complete excuse on its own that people want it to be. Crime creates poverty just as much by driving away businesses and turning areas into blight

It has more to do with culture than poverty though poverty plays a role. One impoverished culture isn't going to have the same crime rate as another because the behaviors are different. For example during the 80's there was a huge economic boom but also one of the largest crime spikes in modern history

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, you probably know about Ike's nephew or something. Ike wrote him a mil-spec grade letter while President. Basically spelled out the exact terrain that is fuckin with ye ol' American Way as we speak "Texas preachers" he even mentions at one point I am almost positive.

History: complicated, until you study it. Then just weird.

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/...on-eisenhower/

Time .... moves slow .... through time ....

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excerpt. 1954 ya'll!
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Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But no longer are their numbers negligible. Propaganda (trickle down!) is a magical thing.

For what error do you invoke Eisenhower's name?

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Somebody go tell every major global retail corporation we don't actually know how to isolate market forces and determine optimal pricing points

Possibly, depends on the study

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has more to do with culture than poverty though poverty plays a role. One impoverished culture isn't going to have the same crime rate as another because the behaviors are different. For example during the 80's there was a huge economic boom but also one of the largest crime spikes in modern history

Culture effects behavior which effects crime rates but sentencing is all that matters

Lol

[Lune]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Culture effects behavior which effects crime rates but sentencing is all that matters

Lol

Nowhere did I say sentencing is all that matters.

Only that scientists have managed to isolate the effects of longer sentencing from things like culture, seasonality, larger trends in crime, local characteristics, etc.

For example we know that one area where longer sentencing is good is for pedophiles. Their rates of recidivism are so high they tend to go back to diddling no matter how short or long they are put away, so it pays to just lock them up and throw away the key.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nowhere did I say sentencing is all that matters.

Only that scientists have managed to isolate the effects of longer sentencing from things like culture, seasonality, larger trends in crime, local characteristics, etc.

For example we know that one area where longer sentencing is good is for pedophiles. Their rates of recidivism are so high they tend to go back to diddling no matter how short or long they are put away, so it pays to just lock them up and throw away the key.

Show me the evidence of how they effectively isolated those factors. All the factors listed and isolated, I’m wondering what kind of overlap we have with our factors

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I know you hadn’t but a lot of people do

Crime is just from poverty. Not always, there have been periods of extreme poverty without crazy crime increases

And yea I agree that single motherhood seems to be another factor

At least 70% of men in prison were raised by single mothers

It doesn't stop there. Drug addiction, teen pregnancy ect. are all primarily affected by children being raised by single mothers

[Lune]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me the evidence of how they effectively isolated those factors. All the factors listed and isolated, I’m wondering what kind of overlap we have with our factors

I'd basically have to teach you statistics. You find the p value of a given variable, and if that data is continuous, you use a linear regression or generalized linear model. If binary, logistic regression. It's basically a lot of math. I'm also not going to go digging through a study and serving the methods for you. At this point if you don't believe me you don't believe me and that's okay.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd basically have to teach you statistics. You find the p value of a given variable, and if that data is continuous, you use a linear regression or generalized linear model. If binary, logistic regression. It's basically a lot of math. I'm also not going to go digging through a study and serving the methods for you. At this point if you don't believe me you don't believe me and that's okay.

I don’t doubt it takes some math

What I don’t trust is their willingness and ability to identify and isolate all the other contributing factors

[Nibblewitz]

p-values lol

What are the significance levels of these studies?