New ToV Racing Rules

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd rather play on the side of the 4% of the server that likes to kill everything and push the limits of content when I log on to this server when I am not able to. That is the difference between you an I.

No, the real difference is that if casual raiders were given rules that allowed them realistic shots, your guild and the other "A" would fall apart completely within a month, while the casual guilds would keep on keeping on, because they dont define themselves as 'the 4%' like you just did, and as functioning adults are literally aghast that there are really people who do, and what they put up with to be there...

[xexbis0]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd rather play on the side of the 4% of the server that likes to kill everything and push the limits of content when I log on to this server when I am not able to. That is the difference between you an I.

9/10 spin. I hadn't heard the "I live for the 4 AM weekday batphones" before. But Fugues pretty much nailed it. Neither Aftermath or Awakened are going anywhere til their dedicated trackera who put in insane amounts of hours decide to hang up the boots.

I don't really think being given anything in ToV should even be considered. That's the endgame zone reserved for those willing to do whatever it takes. There are other encounters outside of that tjough that losing pixels once every 3 spawn cycles wouldnt really kill anybody and would allow the casual guilds to actually experience Velious while seeing a tiny dabble of premium loot. Some fun dragons. Some difficult encounters and some tank and spank fights.

[xexbis0]

Come on Big V. Go late tomorrow. Let's see if those racers balk at going for targets with only 3 hours left in window. Let those stars align.

Side storyline:

- Will Awakened or Aftermath plop racers at big V spawn if dragons are up that casuals can't get to and no FTE message went out?

Stay tuned for Episode 2 of As the Door Opens and Closes and Opens and Closes

[Alenon]

It was just as much of a shitshow on live, at least on bristlebane. And if they had the ability to batphone then I'm sure they would have. The difference was continuous expansions allowing all guilds to progress. So while the tier 1 guilds were plowing through ssra and vt, we were doing velious and minor luclin mobs. While they were farming time we were just hitting elementals. You could be casual and still feel like you're progressing even if at a lower tier

[FatMice]

You call it spin. I call it the way I play? I don't understand.

[xexbis0]

Originally Posted by FatMice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You call it spin. I call it the way I play? I don't understand.

Besides the fact you contradict what you're saying in your own post? I don't really care to be honest. Was mostly being sarcastic.

To be fair, I think that the smaller guilds should have to give up all rights to ToV for the 1/3 spawns of the mobs I'm referring to much like VP was in Kunark. I think that would be a nice middle ground where each side of the fence didn't even have to care about what the other side is doing.

The problem lies in the fact that the larger guilds thrive on being able to deny people content. It's part of the fun for them. It's not competition. It's a lot about pixels and being able to cockblock and throw their image around as if they are accomplishing something that people simply can't. That's why they do what they do.

[FatMice]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Besides the fact you contradict what you're saying in your own post?

Where did I do this?

[Legday]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem lies in the fact that the larger guilds thrive on being able to deny people content. It's part of the fun for them. It's not competition. It's a lot about pixels and being able to cockblock and throw their image around as if they are accomplishing something that people simply can't. That's why they do what they do.

This is a toxic opinion. It's not true. We only thrive on beating our regular competition. In our case that is Awakened 95% of the time. I take no joy in cockblocking anybody.

Cockblocking people for fun is not the same thing in taking as big of a slice of the pie for ourselves as we can. We have 80-90 people logging in on the reg. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

[Kileras]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a toxic opinion. It's not true. We only thrive on beating our regular competition. In our case that is Awakened 95% of the time. I take no joy in cockblocking anybody.

Cockblocking people for fun is not the same thing in taking as big of a slice of the pie for ourselves as we can. We have 80-90 people logging in on the reg. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

a lot of us come from a background of "classic" where 3-5 guilds easily handled NToV in a fair way. The problem is not the zone, the problem is the way you want to approach the zone and applying the mentality that p99 has had through the years to ToV. There is nothing wrong with ToV as a zone, it would be a blast to crawl ToV with CSG/BDA and split paths/clear to different mobs/take turns taking wacks at the bigger names... maybe racing for the bigger mobs? there are ways to make the zone amenable, those ways just don't fit into the min/max mindset of the top 2 guilds.

3 weeks on NToV 1, week on VP for A/A
3 weeks on VP, 1 week on NtoV for CSG/Anonymous/Divinity/BDA

would that honestly be so incredibly horrid? It probably isn't the right situation, but it is a start that REALLY shouldn't bother anyone should it? I don't know, i don't even know why I am really trying to come up with solutions anymore.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

It's not, that's why they kept adding expansions every 9 months-1 year to keep those 200 hardcore people moving on to the next content.

But P99 isn't classic in that sense. There are 6-10 guilds on this server with the skills and tactics to equal the Fires of Heavens/Brotherhood of the Spider/Triton/etc of 2001.

The ONLY real solution is more content (via Earthquakes), but Rogean/Nilbog really seem against that. There's 3 to 5x more "endgame" guilds on P99, but there is even LESS content than there was on Live servers (more frequent patches, weekly maintenance, random server crashes, etc).