Hey Forsaken

[cs616]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every guild is Class R by default, you only have to petition to be Class R if you are currently Class C.

Disbanding your guild and forming a new one made up of 97% of the old guild does not get you out of Class C, so says Rogean.

Making rules up as you go to exclude a newly formed guild based on the history of individual members just seems to go against the whole reason class R was created. Class R was supposed to be the non-competitive raiding class, but instead of competing for mobs, the competition is to get included in the class it seems. Even if it is 97% the same people (which im guessing is a grossly exaggerated number), it is a new guild with different leadership, and they should be afforded the same opportunity as any other new guild.

Ive got no lost love for TMO folks, and agreeing with alarti makes me feel dirty, but this definitely seems like class R people throwing a bitch fit and rule lawyering their way into making life difficult for some former class C people.

[Tiggles]

So who was is winning the fight? Alarti or Samoht?

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[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Making rules up as you go to exclude a newly formed guild based on the history of individual members just seems to go against the whole reason class R was created. Class R was supposed to be the non-competitive raiding class, but instead of competing for mobs, the competition is to get included in the class it seems. Even if it is 97% the same people (which im guessing is a grossly exaggerated number), it is a new guild with different leadership, and they should be afforded the same opportunity as any other new guild.

It's not an exaggerated number, Rogean posted the exact percentage in his suspension thread. Looks like 69/74 Members were TMO so that's 94%?

Also, Class R wasn't made to be non-competitive. It's the RESTRICTED Class, which all that means is a guild can't lockdown all spawns like TMO was doing to force the Class system by Rogean. Guilds in Class R are restricted to 1 kill for every 3 spawns.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if it is 97% the same people (which im guessing is a grossly exaggerated number).

Grossly exaggerated? Lol. It's a little more than 3% over what Rogean stated. I do not believe that qualifies as "grossly exaggerated."

[cs616]

If I have 100 apples in a basket, and I take 50 and put them in a new basket, and then add another two that were not from the original basket, that is not 96% of the same people. It is 50% of the same people. Unless TMO had 100 members and 97 left to join forsaken (or some variation of equal proportion), you guys dont know how comparative percentages work.

[falkun]

If 93.2% of your raid force is comprised of ex-members of a class C guild and you attempt Class R targets without those members waiting 30 days and petitioning to be allowed to kill R targets, you're gonna have a bad time. - Rogean

[Colgate]

if you try to participate in the endgame on blue, you're gonna have a bad time

[Samoht]

No, you're just arguing about how they worded it vs what they intended to say and what you know they intended to say because that's a convenient way for you to discredit them even though it does nothing to progress the discussion. The Foreskin raids were at least 93% former TMO members. It has been proven. Let's just move forward with that knowledge instead of harping on how someone might have said that Foreskin is 93%TMO members and you interpreted that as Foreskin is 93% of TMO members.

[Llodd]

Some people are overly obsessed by logic to the point where all common sense is lost.

[cs616]

Moving on is fine with me, just dont get pissy because I called out an exaggerated percentage for being exaggerated (which is was with how it was worded). Unlike our rule system on this server, I make my judgments on what is actually said and done as opposed to what I think someone's intention is or was.