The Great Red Jailbreak of 2014

[Bazia]

Why the fuck would you hand out gear that you knew was from banned accounts?

IRL receiving stolen property is a crime, regardless if you were aware or not.

Something too good to be true? Then it probably is.

Anyone that handed out gear from banned accounts were assholes for involving innocent players into this shit show.

[Nizzarr]

Originally Posted by Vamael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

look, i understand aons and fungis and manastones, but i gave someone a GBS. and they are banned, they weren't aware of this and should be able to delete or give back the GBS and get unbanned. they were completely not involved, other than i was like OH here is an item for you, i wasn't trying to be shady, and OR hide items. I am know well enough items can be traced by item numbers, even if its dropped, given to lvl 1 alts with ip spoofing, thats wasn't the case. It was just HANDED to them. with no intentions of thinking they would lose their account.

You're a scumbag, rot in hell and I hope you kill yourself in real?

did I do this right?

I feel you, I accepted items from an "unbanned" character on a guildbank mule. That account is banned because somebody that I helped relevel another character gave the guild bank some of his items as a payback to the guild.

Some random resists gear, a hiero cloak and 1.5k plat. Clearly worth banning my account for forever right?

Poorly managed crisis on an error from administrators of this server. Put that one on your Pantheon resume!

[XiakenjaTZ]

Nizzar is on and ready. You can bring the server back up.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, apparently you guys were expecting to have those accounts banned once more and scrambled to get all the gear you knew you shouldn't have handed out to friends and guildmates. You were probably hoping that by including so many accounts in the process that the GM's hands would be tied and you'd get to keep at least some of the stuff. Were the GMs informed before or after all your trading had taken place?

The smart thing to do would be stop talking about it in public, and wait for them to mull over your petition.

Still, Supremes point is kinda bullet proof. Theres 2 scenarios here.

1. The unbanning and banning happened super fast, like 1-3 hour window. People who took items from banned toons are probably guilty. Still, that 3 hour window could have been used to OOC and strip the toon selling it to randoms.

2. The unbanning lasted for a while 1-2 days. This means banned toons had 48 hours to run around selling everything they had on them to randoms in OOC. Or giving them to people who might have not even known that these were "illegal" items.

Anyway you look at it, its hard to justify any bannings over this, unless someone can pick my reasoning apart and explain to me what im missing.

I sort of feel bad now at going "lol your tears are so delicious" because i assumed everyone was guilty because lookin at it quickly it looks like it. But when you think it through, theres a fuckton of ambiguity about culpability here, unless again someone can explain to me what im missing.

Ok i think ive found it lol its because no account was banned where plat was involved? Still it can mean that someone with a banned account handed over items without telling the source of the items to someone, and that person is banned? So if that person was extra perceptive, and could have seen coming the fail implementation of bans over this, could have ran around and gave items to his enemies and then go lolurbanned?

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by mikemandella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One extreme to the next.. You are comparing a fully functional judicial system we have all come to love to a emulated elf server with 5 - 7 staff members? If this was the great prisoner release in anticipation of velious do you not think it would have been announced?

You guys didn't think you'd get caught.. and you did. Please explain how only Nihilum characters are banned and literally nobody else?

- Oppressor

A functional judicial system should make it absolutely EASIER to administer justice. You already have a basis for a practical system without even writing it up! In addition you have a history of stare decisis which to base judgement.

Since Kunark unbannings was not announced until AFTER the fact then NO i do not believe it would have been announced. Regardless of that, it is not a players responsibility to policy another player that was banned and then "GM mistake" unbanned.

As for not getting caught it was NIZZAR himself that was the first to petition the issue to GMs. No one wants to mention that because they are just too busy tarring the issue with biased rhetoric and half-truths.

[Bazia]

You honestly believe if they decided to unban all accounts intentionally they wouldn't announce it in anyway.

I'm sorry but you're full of shit.

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a scumbag, rot in hell and I hope you kill yourself in real?

did I do this right?

I feel you, I accepted items from an "unbanned" character on a guildbank mule. That account is banned because somebody that I helped relevel another character gave the guild bank some of his items as a payback to the guild.

Some random resists gear, a hiero cloak and 1.5k plat. Clearly worth banning my account for forever right?

Poorly managed crisis on an error from administrators of this server. Put that one on your Pantheon resume!

Sounds like Nihilum griefed the server hardcore here, getting innocents banned for their shady actions. If many innocents really were banned for this, then a better solution might be to disband Nihilum.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a scumbag, rot in hell and I hope you kill yourself in real?

did I do this right?

I feel you, I accepted items from an "unbanned" character on a guildbank mule. That account is banned because somebody that I helped relevel another character gave the guild bank some of his items as a payback to the guild.

Some random resists gear, a hiero cloak and 1.5k plat. Clearly worth banning my account for forever right?

Poorly managed crisis on an error from administrators of this server. Put that one on your Pantheon resume!

I guess that's the liability of enabling some banned jerk to continue to compete here. Not entirely a bad thing imo.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Capitalizing on a mistake made by a GM while knowing full well the devs and GMs would have a problem with it should be considered an exploit.

Ok Secrets.

Your brain is kinda pickled so I will give you a pass.

By your rationale everyone should be banned on Red99. No one KNEW it was a GM mistake at the time it happened. No one KNEW devs and GMs had/have a problem with it at the time it happened. ALL people KNEW was that their accounts (ergo ALL banned accounts) were not unbanned. ALL people KNEW was that this also happened before KUNARK and anticipated this was just the last step before VELIOUS release.

[Squire]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like Nihilum griefed the server hardcore here, getting innocents banned for their shady actions. If many innocents really were banned for this, then a better solution might be to disband Nihilum.

These are the kind of outside the box solutions we should be examining.