Dear Atheist,

[r00t]

"spontaneously arose from natural processes we generally understand"

what lol. science dont explain SHIT in that regard, therefore you yourself are talkin about belief

[r00t]

You have faith in science. It's all unprovable. Empty fossil record makes them think we evolved from chimps, some cosmic background waves make them think they know the age of the universe.

[Orruar]

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"spontaneously arose from natural processes we generally understand"

what lol. science dont explain SHIT in that regard, therefore you yourself are talkin about belief

Was it science or religion that pushed our understanding of the universe all the way back to just moments after the universe was created? Was it science or religion that made predictions about the existence and details of the cosmic microwave background which we were then able confirm with observation? Exactly what predictions has religion allows us to make with any accuracy? Religion is quite anti-prediction, as God is both omnipotent and unpredictable. So even if it's correct, it's not a world view that improves our lives, beyond some happy feelings of seeing grandma again in the afterlife.

[kylok]

If God exists human beings don't have free will. This is the biggest problem I have with theism.

And the age of the universe is calculated fairly easily with the speed of light and basic trigonometry. The part of this that is generally not understood is what happened between the "big bang" and the oldest part of the universe that we can observe. A lot of people attribute this to the possible unification of the forces (excluding gravity, which I personally don't consider a force but a property of space, i.e. curvature of space time).

It's an interesting topic to contemplate and religion in any form does little to explain this phenomena. Religion, in my experience, serves the purpose to provide a guide for how people should live their lives. Personally I feel that everything human beings need to make decisions is pre-programmed in us when we come into reality, and doesn't need to come from an outside source.

Take it all how you will - that's how I see things.

[Lune]

IF the big bang happened than how come we didnt here it?

science channel 0
God 1

[kylok]

=D because at that moment there was no medium for the sound to travel through. There also wasn't likely sound if the forces were unified.

[Ahldagor]

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[r00t]

[QUOTE=kylok;1201439]And the age of the universe is calculated fairly easily with the speed of light and basic trigonometry./QUOTE]

Lol I'd love to see this genius burger equation

AGE = COSINE TIMES C SQUARED

[kylok]

It's not quite that simple, but it's based on a parsec - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec
which is an easy calculation to make.

Also, this - "Measurements of the cosmic background radiation give the cooling time of the universe since the Big Bang, and measurements of the expansion rate of the universe can be used to calculate its approximate age by extrapolating backwards in time."
Since the universe expands at a more or less constant rate the age of the universe is not too hard to extrapolate.

[Ahldagor]

the age of the universe is dependent upon light that we've detected with our own instruments. it's an arbitrary human thing. besides time is subjective.